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cookiemanstah
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:52 pm
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So basically: they all flopped. The Shenmue situation is beyond fucked though. Never seen an IP handled that poorly in a while
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Takkun4343
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:00 pm
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David Zaslav was a mistake.
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Themaster20000
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:20 pm
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Stories like this, are why physical media is still important.
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Shay Guy
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:49 pm
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I notice that since the merger, something like $30 billion of WBD's market cap has evaporated. Somehow that doesn't seem like the best plan for dealing with that debt people keep talking about.
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:56 pm
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Bummer to hear there probably won't be a season 2 of Shenmue the Animation. It was by no means amazing but I kind of dug it.
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MoonPhase1
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:57 pm
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Themaster20000 wrote: | Stories like this, are why physical media is still important. |
The problem is many of these Warner series won’t see a physical release. Shenmue, Fena and Black Lotus can survive by Crunchyroll releasing them on Blu-ray instead of Warner but Final Space for instance is a full Warner title so when they did the tax write off on that, the Blu-ray was discontinued and you can’t even get it off of iTunes anymore. It’s like the series doesn’t even exist. Not to mention Season 3 never got a Blu-ray.
Physical media is great but there are some instances where the company makes it impossible to release it physically or cancel the physical release from being sold.
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Felix Anime
Joined: 29 Sep 2022
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:19 pm
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Any chance Blade Runner: Black Lotus will show up on Netflix?
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Top Gun
Joined: 28 Sep 2007
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:48 pm
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Themaster20000 wrote: | Stories like this, are why physical media is still important. |
And in cases where that doesn't happen, or where the physical media is made unavailable, this is where digital copies are also important. Information wants to be free, and if companies are going to forcibly withhold it in service to grotesque sections of the tax code, then I say the high seas are fair game.
Regardless, this is a major bummer for Shenmue at least. Fena never really lived up to its initial promise (and then spectacularly fell on its face in its final episode), and Black Lotus would have worked better if it were condensed into half as many episodes, but Shenmue was a ton of fun. It was the most "gamey" adaptation I've ever seen, and I mean that in the best way.
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Wyvern
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:57 pm
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cookiemanstah wrote: | So basically: they all flopped. The Shenmue situation is beyond fucked though. Never seen an IP handled that poorly in a while |
This isn't a matter of "they all flopped." It says right in the article that Shenmue was successful enough to get a second season, and DeMarco had mentioned elsewhere that Fena was also a hit. What happened here was the higher ups at WB/Discovery removing these shows from public availability in exchange for a quick tax break. It's scary for anyone who cares about the long-term viability of animation since they seem to primarily be targeting animated shows for this.
Incidentally, this article doesn't mention that another Adult Swim show, Final Space, was also written off and actually had its digital purchases removed as well. So if you paid money to own this show digitally on a service like Amazon or iTunes, you've now been locked out of it. You are permanently forbidden from accessing your own property which you paid for.
Cool future!
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Aura Ichadora
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:03 pm
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Really is a shame how so many series have been treated within the last few months, namely all on the Warner Bros side of WBD. None of the shows that had been completely written off (Final Space hurts me the worst out of all of the titles) or had been "vaulted" (such as Infinity Train, which I'm willing to guess got saved from being written off because of the campaign of fans outcrying its removal and how it became the #1 seller on practically all platforms of physical and digital media sales) deserved to be treated the way they did.
However, at least for the case of these three anime, not all hope is lost because I have doubts that CR will just give up the rights to the shows. With any luck, they'll eventually put out physical media of these shows and it would help the dub continue to live on (from what I've been told, only the subs are actually on CR while the dubs are currently unavailable), or they can buy the rest of the rights back and start streaming the dubs that way. Either way would be fine with me; as long as they don't become lost media, it will make me happy.
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Likou
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:15 pm
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cookiemanstah wrote: | So basically: they all flopped. The Shenmue situation is beyond fucked though. Never seen an IP handled that poorly in a while |
So basically you don't even know what happened and is talking nonsense. This is because of the Warner/Discovery purge.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:21 pm
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I hope the dubs are at least released on any future physical release, but as if I needed more reasons to dislike Zaslav...
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Ermat_46
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:21 pm
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Aura Ichadora wrote: | With any luck, they'll eventually put out physical media of these shows and it would help the dub continue to live on (from what I've been told, only the subs are actually on CR while the dubs are currently unavailable), or they can buy the rest of the rights back and start streaming the dubs that way. Either way would be fine with me; as long as they don't become lost media, it will make me happy. |
CR won't go out of its way to deal with the legal headache that is the dub rights (or even releasing them on home video) for those shows. My guess is that CR will retain the rights to the subbed version (that's the reason why CR agreed to co-produce the shows in the first place), but they won't do more with those franchises.
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macattack
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:18 am
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Maybe CR will just redub everything themselves to take care of the rights issues for good.
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Thespacemaster
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:22 am
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Aura Ichadora wrote: | Really is a shame how so many series have been treated within the last few months, namely all on the Warner Bros side of WBD. None of the shows that had been completely written off (Final Space hurts me the worst out of all of the titles) or had been "vaulted" (such as Infinity Train, which I'm willing to guess got saved from being written off because of the campaign of fans outcrying its removal and how it became the #1 seller on practically all platforms of physical and digital media sales) deserved to be treated the way they did.
However, at least for the case of these three anime, not all hope is lost because I have doubts that CR will just give up the rights to the shows. With any luck, they'll eventually put out physical media of these shows and it would help the dub continue to live on (from what I've been told, only the subs are actually on CR while the dubs are currently unavailable), or they can buy the rest of the rights back and start streaming the dubs that way. Either way would be fine with me; as long as they don't become lost media, it will make me happy. |
So infinity train still has a chance to make a comeback? i hope so as it has been the best original cartoon network cartoon in years and from what i heard it was only halfway finished before it stopped. I always found it weird as i remember it was in the top 5 most watched that it they just stop making it.
As for Shenmue the way he said in his comments, it did prove successful enough that a s2 would of been made but current circumstances are what is really preventing it from happening, with the way zaslev has been cutting out everything especially in the animation department it seems more like it is that decision that is holding these series back rather than a lack of interest.
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