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NEWS: Rurouni Kenshin Gets New TV Anime by Liden Films


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Rob19ny



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:52 am Reply with quote
Oh snap! Amazing news. The RK train just can't stop and won't be stopped. Love it. I can see Watsuki smiling at the continued success of RK since Hokkaido started to the live action movies to this anime news now. Not many can get that 2nd burst of success. The only negative is that this is going to be by LF. Now... if this is a remake, I'm going to be slightly irked because I want a remake of the Yugioh manga and its the 25th anniversary for that and the effort has been disappointing considering the 20th anniversary.
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WANNFH wrote:
And like I said - it's most likely because of Tokyo Revengers, cause it become that big major hit in Japan - literally on the same level as JJK.
I'm just not going to be surprised if this is another rushed production that rushes through like a dozen chapters in one episode with a ton of limited animation shortcuts and I think fans expecting this to be on the level of FMA Brotherhood are probably going to be disappointed.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:05 am Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
I'm just not going to be surprised if this is another rushed production that rushes through like a dozen chapters in one episode with a ton of limited animation shortcuts and I think fans expecting this to be on the level of FMA Brotherhood are probably going to be disappointed.
Well, like I said - I not expect it being good either for a lot of reasons - especially if it's actually gonna be a remake: there is only three-four studios in the modern time who are still capable to do long-running shounen series (and one of them totally will never be interested in doing Kenshin series), and LIDEN is totally not afilliated with any of them.


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As far as im concerned, Ken Watsuki's ties to Kenshin are over, this is an anime adaptation by a studio, they should not have the blame pointed towards them. They are only providing what we want as a long time coming new anime series.


That is literally not how this works. While Watsuki is not personally creating this new anime entirely on his own, as the original creator he not only gets money from its very creation, but gets a take from everything involving it. That means licensing fees, merchandise sales, sales of the various Kenshin manga/novels that result from this show promoting the franchise. Even if he's not *making* it, he is *making money* off of it. What you're saying is that you're actively rejecting reality in order to be ok with this.
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The whole point of the justice system is to ensure that fair punishment is given. Whether that's jail time, community service, a fine, or whatever, once the sentence is served, then in principle, that should be the end of it. You can argue about whether or not the original sentence was just or not (and that's why the appeal process exists), but ignoring it altogether and insisting that a convicted criminal continue to face perpetual ongoing judgment goes against the ethical foundations of the rule of law and is effectively a form of vigilantism.

One of the other goals of the justice system is rehabilitation. Since there's no indication that Watsuki has "relapsed", so to speak, or that he presents any current danger to children, I am led to believe that this goal has been met in this case.

Also this whole "supporting the work means supporting the artist which means supporting the crime" mindset is entirely disingenuous. His work is not child porn and he is not profiting off child porn. He is making a living. Supporting the work means supporting that living, and that's all there is to it. Are criminals not entitled to earn a living? Should we never hire criminals as bakers, or as builders, or as gardeners, or as mangaka? Failure to find stable employment after release from prison is statistically one of the biggest contributors to recidivism.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:19 am Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
I'm just not going to be surprised if this is another rushed production that rushes through like a dozen chapters in one episode with a ton of limited animation shortcuts and I think fans expecting this to be on the level of FMA Brotherhood are probably going to be disappointed.


Even FMA Brotherhood rushed through chapters before they got to the manga-only material, there's a reason why people prefer the 2003 adaptation when it comes to the early episodes.

I see the same happening with Kenshin myself, especially given Kyoto was covered not once but twice (not counting the movies) and the second time was terrible.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:25 am Reply with quote
lossthief wrote:
Artemis X wrote:
As far as im concerned, Ken Watsuki's ties to Kenshin are over, this is an anime adaptation by a studio, they should not have the blame pointed towards them. They are only providing what we want as a long time coming new anime series.


That is literally not how this works. While Watsuki is not personally creating this new anime entirely on his own, as the original creator he not only gets money from its very creation, but gets a take from everything involving it. That means licensing fees, merchandise sales, sales of the various Kenshin manga/novels that result from this show promoting the franchise. Even if he's not *making* it, he is *making money* off of it. What you're saying is that you're actively rejecting reality in order to be ok with this.


I understand how it works. But I don't really care to be honest. There are so many people in the world who sin and commit atrocious acts but are you going to completly hate something and not support it just because that creator in real life commited some sort of sinful act? I still enjoy Rurouni Kenshin and the manga, as an artist and author and a vissionary, he created a masterpiece manga and I have lasting memories of watching the anime i grew up with. I am not one of those kinds of people that will just erase RK from my life, just because the author has a stash of child pornography. I also think its ridicously that ANN keeps running this narative and won't put it to rest, every article, even if its new anime, project or whatever, they always have to bring up Watasuki's sex allegations of possession of child porn.It needs to just be put to rest already.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:30 am Reply with quote
I am very much deeply conflicted by all of this still, even though one of my biggest wishes for the past 20 years has been a proper anime of the Jinchuu arc. I don't know if I want to watch it or not.

However, at the very core, the story of Rurouni Kenshin is one of forgiveness and redemption and whether or not that we're allowed said forgiveness/redemption. What hope is there for humanity to grow and change if we don't give people room to move past their mistakes?

My hope is that over the course of the past four years is that Watsuki got the help that he needed and has made amends as much as he can. It doesn't excuse what he's done, which was abhorrent, and people certainly don't have to forgive him for it.

But if someone does choose to watch the series, it is their personal decision. It just may mean they've decided Watsuki is deserving of that forgiveness and chance for redemption. It doesn't mean they're horrible people, and folks should not be attacked for wanting to watch or not being aware of what happened.

To quote Frank Turner, "In a world that has decided that it's going to lose its mind. Be more kind, my friends. Try to be more kind."

And if you want something proactive to do, take that money you would have spent on new Kenshin stuff and donate it to charities that help victims of child trafficking or child abuse prevention.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:39 am Reply with quote
Artemis X wrote:


I understand how it works. But I don't really care to be honest.


Well at least you're honest about it.

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There are so many people in the world who sin and commit atrocious acts but are you going to completly hate something and not support it just because that creator in real life commited some sort of sinful act?


Not really sure where "sin" came in here but yes, I think it's entirely reasonable to not want to support an artist after finding out they purchased child porn. I'm under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to ever give my money to Watsuki for anything. And I say that as somebody who loves the RK manga. Because ultimately my disgust at what Watsuki did outweighs any attachment to this franchise. If that's not the same for you, that's your business.

But what so many of these discussions constantly come down to is the insistence that we all just need to forgive Watsuki for what he did, when this isn't about forgiveness at all. There's nothing for me to forgive Watsuki for, because he didn't do anything to me. What these discussions are actually about is whether not we should like Watsuki and be comfortable supporting him as an artist, but framing that as an act of benevolence or grace by saying it's "forgiveness." Neither you nor I are obligated to like any given person, so I don't know why Watsuki would be an exception.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:53 am Reply with quote
lossthief wrote:
Artemis X wrote:


I understand how it works. But I don't really care to be honest.


Well at least you're honest about it.

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There are so many people in the world who sin and commit atrocious acts but are you going to completly hate something and not support it just because that creator in real life commited some sort of sinful act?


Not really sure where "sin" came in here but yes, I think it's entirely reasonable to not want to support an artist after finding out they purchased child porn. I'm under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to ever give my money to Watsuki for anything. And I say that as somebody who loves the RK manga. Because ultimately my disgust at what Watsuki did outweighs any attachment to this franchise. If that's not the same for you, that's your business.

But what so many of these discussions constantly come down to is the insistence that we all just need to forgive Watsuki for what he did, when this isn't about forgiveness at all. There's nothing for me to forgive Watsuki for, because he didn't do anything to me. What these discussions are actually about is whether not we should like Watsuki and be comfortable supporting him as an artist, but framing that as an act of benevolence or grace by saying it's "forgiveness." Neither you nor I are obligated to like any given person, so I don't know why Watsuki would be an exception.


Also to be honest, I think people are interperting his actions ujustly First of all. He is not a convicted pedophile. He was simple caught with possession of CP. That could happen to 70% of the anime community. That hardly makes him some one that actually acted on impulse and commited a sexual assualt against an underage child. So in terms of him being an actual convicted pedophile, that is stretching it a bit far. Possession of CP can be alot of things, it can obvously be attribued to phycological problems, or a troubled unhealthy sex life due to isolation and not having a healthy relationship with some one. But again, it could be compeltly a personal thing to with out having to actually commit a crime against an underage child.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:59 am Reply with quote
If we are talking about such third-hand 'support', then those who purchased ''Rurouni Kenshin'' material before Watsuki was charged supported CP more (albeit unknowingly) then those that purchase it now, because he spent money on CP (albeit before it was classified as such, ASFAIK) before, but is unlikely to do it now.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:02 am Reply with quote
Artemis X wrote:


Also to be honset, I think people are interperting his actions inujusty. First of all. He is not a convicted pedophile. .


He is. Like quite literally. He was convicted in court of it. He was quoted in an official statement saying he is attracted to girls in elementary school. He went to court over owning child porn and was found guilty. That is by definition a convicted pedophile.

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He was simple caught with possession of CP. That could happen to 70% of the anime community.

No. Categorically no. This wasn't "loli" art or anything involving illustration or whatever else people bring up to deflect. It was sexual videos involving real, living, human children. I guarantee you that is not something most people would just happen to have by accident.



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That hardly makes him some one that actually acted on impulse and commited a sexual assualt against an underage child. So in terms of him being an actual convicted pedophile, that is stretching it a bit far. Possession of CP can be alot of things, it can obvously phycological problems, or a troubled unhealthy sex life due to isolation and not having a healthy relationship with some one. But again, it could be compeltly a personal thing to with out having to actually commit a crime against an underage child


Watsuki doesn't have to have personally assaulted a child to be a pedophile. By purchasing the material - and by his own admission he did purchase it - he funded the people who abused those children. He contributed to and perpetuated child abuse. That is a fact.

I have little faith that you're not just throwing bad faith arguments at this point, but I am genuinely asking you to at least not downplay or dismiss the very evident seriousness of what Watsuki did. It's an insult to everyone here and a genuinely pernicious tactic used by actual child abusers to normalize their abuse.
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The Not so Chosen One wrote:
And my definition of Death Of The Author is similar to yours, only that you copied the wikipedia definition, and from that you automatically thought that I was wrong.


No it's not. "Death of the Author" is a mode of critical analysis. If you're not talking about analyzing a work then you're using it wrong.
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Somer-_- wrote:
Either this isn't a remake and I'm crazy cause I'm pretty sure the manga was fully adapted.

the original anime ended in filler actually
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xolulu wrote:
The whole point of the justice system is to ensure that fair punishment is given. Whether that's jail time, community service, a fine, or whatever, once the sentence is served, then in principle, that should be the end of it. You can argue about whether or not the original sentence was just or not (and that's why the appeal process exists), but ignoring it altogether and insisting that a convicted criminal continue to face perpetual ongoing judgment goes against the ethical foundations of the rule of law and is effectively a form of vigilantism.

One of the other goals of the justice system is rehabilitation. Since there's no indication that Watsuki has "relapsed", so to speak, or that he presents any current danger to children, I am led to believe that this goal has been met in this case.

Also this whole "supporting the work means supporting the artist which means supporting the crime" mindset is entirely disingenuous. His work is not child porn and he is not profiting off child porn. He is making a living. Supporting the work means supporting that living, and that's all there is to it. Are criminals not entitled to earn a living? Should we never hire criminals as bakers, or as builders, or as gardeners, or as mangaka? Failure to find stable employment after release from prison is statistically one of the biggest contributors to recidivism.


Probably the most logical thing said here thus far but it's going to be forgotten or overlooked among the more aggressive posts. Let's make sure that doesn't happen.
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