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Blanchimont
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Japan has partial proportional voting system*, so even they get some representation. *289 seats are chosen in 'single seat' voting, eg same as in US winner takes all, for the other 176 seats, in the, in Europe much more common, proportional system, voters vote for party and seats are based on the percentage votes received. (2017 specifically, 2014 election for example had 475 seats) |
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liatris
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I don't think anyone in this comment section understands the flow of the discussion on this matter. Is there anyone who understands it properly?
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FromThePale
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All I know is that the JCP are pushing forward a claim that doesn't have a shred of evidence supporting it. They're even less worthy of support than usual, even IF they claim to be against censorship.
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monsieurb1982
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Hi Tempest, thanks for adding more elements for the discussion. Sorry about the words I used. I said "Sue" because of my imperfect english. but now that you used the right words in your third point. French is my primary language by the way. That said, about the VCP, the possession and even the access of child porn (so anime and manga too) can lead people to jail. That apply to streaming services and manga scanlations (official or not) too. https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-163.1.html So the private possession is forbidden here.If you strictly apply the law, if you possess an illegal porn manga, you can go to jail to both access (because you downloaded it) and possession (if you kept it). Also, you're right, the Hansel and Gretel case should never have made it to the court. But it did. I think that a couple of months of jail is nothing compared to how the author and the editor suffered, leading them almost to suicide. And also employes loses their job, and a company ceased to exists. So even if they didn't go to jail, their life were broken and nothing can prevent it to happen again to another author or artist. There is no consequence for people who allowed the trial, and no compensation for the people who suffered. And when something like that is possible, there is someting wrong with the law or at least with how the justice system works. All people working in the police or in the courts are human. So when there are a law that target specific people, that can always lead to that kind of situation. I know how it's written in the paper it's not the case, but in the real world, it is. What happened with Hansel and Gretel book is the proof of what I am saying. And if it happens with a small passage in a book, there are nothing that can prevent it to happen with an ecchi anime (even not explicit), or a non pornographic manga about teen sex. We can't say anymore this will not happen because that should not happen, because... well, it already happened. Even if the law say it's not illegal, that doesn't matter anymore. It always need people to interpret the law and sometime, that can lead to a trial... and broken lives. It matters only a little that they don't go to jail compared of what they must endure before. I would even say that would be less suffering to go one month or two in jail secretly that being exposed to all the medias and losing your job and company because of the money it take you to pay a lawler. That's why I think making a law targeting specific people can always lead to something like this. Unless if in the law you make people accountable for the trouble they cause to innocent people they send in court, and make high compensation mandatory. Or unless you just keep the fictional works out of the law. If we don't change anything in the law, one way or another, that situation could just happen again and again. Last edited by monsieurb1982 on Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:54 am; edited 1 time in total |
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monsieurb1982
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A little off topic. Thanks for the info. I know about the communism and Karl Marx. When I was young, I even participated in some left political parties, even financially. But what matters for me now is only how communism is in the real world, not on the paper. For now, I'm not convinced it leads to a world that respect individual rights. But you're right, we could say the same thing about right autoritharian regime, or even religious right-wing political parties. That's why now, I'm not a lot interested about the right or the left. The only thing that matters is to what it leads, and how the political parties respect individual rights, and even more the minority individual rights againt majority group and even the state. It doesn't matter for me if it's the right or the left... And we are talking about anime and manga here, but for me it's not the only thing that matters. That can be the freedom of speech of people who don't think like me, the gay's rights, etc. For me, all of that is important and that's why I'm here in that topic. I think all people should care about other people's rights when someone challenge it, because one day or another, it will be their rights and if they didn't supported other people, they will not be supported when it will happens. They will be alone... |
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Hoppy800
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Thankfully the current LDP in power is not pro censorship of fiction with at least one member of the cabinet (that I know of) confirming that the party is committed to protecting expression in anime, manga, LNs, etc.
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Albyher0
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Yes, this is true. It's more along the lines of jumping instantly to dumb boomer rhetoric as I saw so many mangaka do when they were picking apart the JCP online. It also now appears several JCP members including the one in the article, Yoshiko Kira(she lead the fight against the original loli ban) have purged all mentions of combating the Youth Healthy Development Ordinance bill in their personal blogs recently which is kicking off this dramafest again. |
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Tempest
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I agree 100%. This case was a travesty
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monsieurb1982
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Parfait, je comprends! And you do a great job fighting that idea. Sorry, it wasn't my intention to imply that most anime contains porn. I believe that most of them don't contain porn at all. Like most of the people here including you, I clearly see the difference between art and porn. I just think that the "porn" definition is sometime going too far. First, because they include the true porn and the hentai porn in the same law, instead of two separated laws. But also because that for some people, fan service, nudity and sex scenes with teens in an anime ar a manga is always child porn (and strangely it's not porn at all when it's in a mainstream movie or tv show with adults). I fear that some people who are not used to anime, including the ones who write or apply the laws, don't always make the difference between art and porn. And you're right, the "all anime is porn" trope is really bad. And I also fear that some people could do someting to anime or manga like they did in the Hansel or Gretel case, because of how they see anime (with this trope) and also because of how they could interpret the law. So that's why we must fight on all fronts. |
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Yttrbio
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Brent Allison
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Does Japan have a pop culture figure equivalent to Elvis in terms of going from young, slender, and hip to older, fatter, and shooting televisions? Because I think such a celebrity should be the mascot for the JCP about now.
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Megiddo
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I'm not that surprised about the total lack of awareness of Japanese politics, but this quote just makes my skin crawl. You do know which political party supported the whole "non-existent youth" legislation right? It was the LDP. Yikes. Don't be fooled just because a self-proclaimed otaku got elected. The LDP is as conservative as it has ever been. |
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BonusStage
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I admit I haven't paid too much attention to this other than what's stumbled upon my feed, but all the Japanese celebrities I follow (mostly mangaka, game directors, artists, etc) that commented on this voiced their opposition to the JCP and haven't really seen any of them voice support for the party. Purely anecdotal, of course. |
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Brent Allison
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Eh, I wasn't really thinking about the said celebrity's actual opinions. More like an image/feeling of one of them invoking "fat Elvis" in a general sense. Like, "This celebrity was cool, but now they're gross and/or tick me off." But yeah, that's what I heard about the opinions of most people in the industry over there. |
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Tempest
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Obviously. But people dedicated to an ideal don't see it that way. This as true of religion as it is of communism. Most religious people won't even acknowledge the harm done under the name of their religion. They still openly identify themselves as followers of said religion despite what was done by others before them. So it's unsurprising that international communists aren't willing to abandon their political beliefs just because some foreigners damaged the "brand." (and of course, some international communists think China is doing a great job -.- ) Anyway, we're getting super OT here. |
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