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Joe Mello
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You don't get a second chance to make a first impression. If Episode 1 is bad, it doesn't matter how good Episode 10 is because it's unlikely I make it to Episode 2. The review is valid because reviews are subjective. |
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Horsefellow
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Well, it's certainly not niche in the popularity sense given it's one of the season's most popular shows. As far as niche fetishes goes... sure, why not? Studios like KyoAni and SHAFT make zero attempts to hide their blatant fetishes for things like feet and stuff and they're still beloved. Anime is pretty open with their pandering and most people accept it. I'd say most anime fans are pretty open minded about kinks and fetishes in general. Or I guess the cool thing is to call yourself a degenerate. As far as fetishes go, being abused by a tsundere is pretty common. |
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meruru
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I would say it's pretty well known in internet circles, but probably not very well known in the mainstream. So you're probably not alone for not having heard of it before. |
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a_Bear_in_Bearcave
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TWIA isn't traditional review, it's a column where reviewers post screenshots from all material that is available so far while talking to each other about the content. That makes focusing on first episode a weak column, since we don't get anything that wasn't talked about in Spring Preview Guide, especially with how short this column was. Combined with some weird shots at some people on internet defending this to the reviewer and Uzaki-chan and its defenders, part of the column feels like blog of Old Guy Shouting at Clouds and Anime Community about stuff he doesn't like. I felt similar thing (Old Guys's blog feel) in Begonia TWIA where there was lot of ragging on Ghibli's popularity despite Begonia not having anything to do with Ghibli except shallow similarities, but at least that column was long enough to talk about movie in length, and I admit J-K said straight it was his personal hangup. Look at TWIA for Rent-A-Girlfriend, Eiken, Vladlove, even Bunny-Girl Senpai which was as short, those can be critical while still entertaining and actually talking about content. Most of TWIA are usually lightweight, funny talk, even in criticism, usually trying to find something good even in worst shows like Eiken, and that is why I enjoy them. I feel this column should either be longer, especially for 10-episodes already watched, or given to someone who enjoy it more. While watching other TWIA's for comparison, I noticed Bunny-Girl Senpai's was somewhat similar in both being as short and quite critical, at least from one side, and generated a *lot* of disagreement in the comment thread, but despite actually liking Bunny Senpai and even Sakuta himself I still could enjoy most of the column and agree with some points. Last edited by a_Bear_in_Bearcave on Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:23 am; edited 1 time in total |
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09jcg
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mangamuscle
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Reviewer should have installed the Nagatoro app one week before writing this column to build up resistance.
https://twitter.com/mobcastcontents/status/1403275819611525123 |
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meruru
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I'm definitely not the target audience for this show, (I only read a tiny bit of the manga and noped out), but my two cents, for what it is worth, is I don't think it's very useful to have people reviewing this show that aren't the target audience. Just get the "this show definitely isn't for everyone" disclaimer out of the way, and then for those still reading, give a review by someone who actually gets it.
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Takkun4343
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Hand Shakers did not have bad production values. It had average-to-decent production values that were just horribly mishandled. Nagatoro is a fun show, if a little tough at times, and further proof that TWIA columns where the two authors are at odds in their opinions are the best, save for those that completely blast terrible anime without coming off like it was written by elitists who view art objectively. Last edited by Takkun4343 on Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:17 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ANN_Lynzee
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This is incorrect in general and often cited when what people mean is 'pandering' instead of 'reviewing,' but regardless the reviewers don't ever know if they're going to be the target audience for any given thing. Usually topics are decided a few weeks to a week prior to publication and reviewers go in blind. That said, while sometimes someone bites a bullet, the four reviewers also choose which series they're doing. It's very rare that anyone is signing up to legitimately hate-watch it. |
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DuskyPredator
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I found the article a bit harsh, and I am a little surprised people are having such a negative reaction. Indeed Nagatoro is a bit harsh in the first episode, where she made Senpai cry, but I think that it is kind of clear after that it is not really her intention. She is a bit of a sadist, and perhaps needed to go a bit to learn how to interact with introverted people outside of her usual frame of mind, but it is also kind of obvious that except for a few cases early on where her sadism got the better of her, it is not really what is going on. Senpai has really bad self-esteem, he just kind of starts assuming that she is just trying to humiliate him, and really she is kind of covering up her embarrassment, projecting that she wants him to think a bit pervy of her, or wants him to stick up for himself a bit more.
To talk about development in the show, you can't leave out Nagatoro's friends, where it does kind of start that they think she is teasing him and perhaps want to join in, but Gamo especially caught on that Nagatoro is interested in him and some of the antics were actually to tease her friend a bit. And there is that shift, where I am pretty certain that Nagatoro did not invite him to the beach with them to tease him, she wanted them to get along more, while he keeps imagining this idea that she is not really interested and just trying embarrass him. The girls tease each other for fun, but it is kind of clear that they are not doing it in a malicious sense, but how they show affection. Perhaps that is all part of some fantasy idea, that some people might call a fetish or something, but I think it is a big difference from something like Takagi-san where it does really look like she just likes to win at embarrassing her crush. Nagatoro actually wants Senpai to be happy, and is shown in equal amounts also wanting to show off to Senpai like a bit of a dork. As a bit introvert, Nagatoro is much better than Takagi and even Uzaki. Takagi wants to always win over her crush, Uzaki is too blind to her own interest, but Nagatoro is the most successful at having him to change out his head and improve. |
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Blood-
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@ DP - I very much disagree that Takagi-san "just likes to win at embarrassing her crush." The show makes clear that Takagi-san genuinely likes Nishikata. Their competition is simply their way of interacting and Nishikata is just as in to it as she is, even if he gets frustrated when he loses. As for Nagato inspiring more development in Senpai than either Takagi-san or Uzaki-san do with their respective "partners"... that has more to do with the fact that Senpai is a huge mess. Neither Nishikata nor Sakurai need "fixing" so of course there will be less development.
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DuskyPredator
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But their character chemistry really was pretty much the same joke over and over again, of him trying to get one up on her, only to find that she already foresaw it and he gets humiliated. I think that there were some rare spots towards the end where he might have got her by surprise and thus had what might have been a win, but Nagataro-san had similar happen much earlier on where Senpai might surprise her. There is a much broader conclusions happening in Nagatoro-san, over Takagi just being sly of everything going on, and really Nishikata trying to defeat Takagi. I would say it is more unhealthy there, a relationship built on trying to defeat their partner and have them admit defeat, over the types of things Nagatoro and Senpai have, and she has been getting more vulnerable. Could Takagi have been pushed into embarrassingly dressing up n a cat costume that he designed, and is a part of an element of where he complemented that he finds her cool for her athleticism, itself a part of a discussion where he was made to admit that he would like to be complemented and should start by giving some himself? I personally prefer the kind of silly teasing of a relationship that grows, rather than one that for the majority of the time is just guy losing and arguably becoming increasingly hostile to embarrass her. |
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You'll get no argument from me that the dynamic between Takagi-san and Nishikata is very repetitive. But that's not what I was arguing against in your original point. You said that it seemed Takagi-san "just likes to win at embarrassing her crush." I believe it's not about "winning" anything. Takagi-san has figured out a way to keep Nishikata's attention and uses it to have interaction with him. That's her agenda... not "winning."
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zrdb
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I actually did something I almost never do-I read the manga for this series and it leaves too much out, it's hardly a barebones sketch. They definitely have a crush on each other in the manga but neither one really knows how to express their feelings and it leads to much misunderstanding and awkwardness between them.
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