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DonQuigleone
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This is probably written somewhere but...
Under the new audit system how do you submit new themes for anime? |
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
 Posts: 3792 Location: Montreal |
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You go to the anime that you want to add a theme for, select "Themes" in the dropdown list, click "I know this", and add the theme.
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DonQuigleone
Posts: 154 Location: Dublin, Ireland |
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Dropdown list? ah thanks!
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Kaijin
 Posts: 3 Location: Montreal |
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The problem I've noticed with this new theme system (and I do like the idea) is that people are adding all sorts of nonsensical things that aren't themes. People clearly aren't reading the difference between theme and genre, because they are adding "Sports" as a theme when it is clearly a genre. They are also adding things like "Step-brother and sister" as themes. Why? How the hell is that a theme? Those are character relations within the story, not themes. The audit is a good way of removing the problems, but perhaps an example list of things NOT to add as themes to avoid some more errors, just like the example list of suggested themes. I know people don't usually read much of the rules beforehand, but it's worth a try.
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Dorcas_Aurelia
 Posts: 5344 Location: Philly |
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I think maybe there should also be a note when adding themes that it is unnecessary to list any of the genres as themes. I just saw a couple genres pop up as themes in a few audits.
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cardcaptormanda
 Posts: 237 Location: United States |
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Does anyone else keep seeing submitted themes that don't really represent the anime at all? I just saw "Sports" for Lovely Complex. Yes, Ootani is in the basketball club at school, Risa, trying to win his love, cheers for him, and a few basketball games are shown, but for the most part, it's an extremely minor part of the series. If I were describing the show to someone, I wouldn't even mention basketball, and no one would watch the show just for the small amount of "Sports" content.
I think some people are confused, although, "Also a theme should represent a core element of the story; for example Princess Nine has tennis in a few episodes but it is not an anime about tennis. Ask yourself if you would watch this title only for the X" explains what a theme is perfectly. I can only hope the audits really do what they are supposed to and mistakes like this will be taken care of quickly. |
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nargun
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Because it's ludicrously common, common enough to count as one? |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
Posts: 5344 Location: Philly |
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Anime with brothers and sisters are also common, but that doesn't mean it matters enough for it to count as a theme. And if it were that common, shouldn't it produce more than 1 result? |
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Moomintroll
 Posts: 1600 Location: Nottingham (UK) |
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Agreed. Worse still, we now have "teenagers" as a theme. Wouldn't that apply to about 90% of all anime and manga on the market? Also, more duplications popping up: "Boxing" and "Sports (boxing)" "School" and "High School" |
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cardcaptormanda
Posts: 237 Location: United States |
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I've been seeing a lot of duplicate themes, too. For example, Victorian Romance Emma has both "Historical" and "historical (england)" listed as themes. Since both of these are actually accurate, neither one is likely to disappear using the audit system, because no one will vote "incorrect" on either one. They will both stay, even though only one is really needed.
I think the whole theme system is just a little too "free." Users can put in anything and everything, which is leading to a lot of silly or incorrect themes being submitted. |
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10461 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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We've brought this up in the staff forum. The suggestion so far has been to have an audit system for creating new themes.
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Moomintroll
Posts: 1600 Location: Nottingham (UK) |
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Sounds like the best solution but the duplications and halfwitted themes that have already been added will still presumably need removing. Also, it would be nice if, once a theme audit system is in place, there was a sticky thread where people could argue for or against new themes before they added them and an audit became necessary. At the very least, that would enable other users to point out if something was a duplicate (or just plain stupid) and therefore possibly reduce the number of audits necessary. |
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Dessa
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Here's an idea...
I used to have a program that let me make crossword puzzles. I would put in the words I wanted to use, and it would make them for me. However, if one word/phrase contained another one (or if it was contained in another), it wouldn't let me do it. For example, I was making one for Pokémon and I was listing all of the Japanese and English character names, and after I had "Ash" in there, it wouldn't let me put "Musashi". Would it be possible to add something similar to this to the theme system? So, to use above examples, if someone tried to add "High School" as a theme, a message would pop up telling them that the theme "School" already exists. Or if you tried to add "Historical (England)", it would tell you "Historical" already existed. On another question... Does it set up a series of audits every time someone submits something? Because I had the exact same audit twice in a row ("Historical" for Chrno Crusade), but the first one didn't have a source and the second one did. |
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
Posts: 3792 Location: Montreal |
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I see 3 possibilities:
a) pre-approve themes: people submit theme suggestions, the suggestions are audited, those that make it through the audit process can be added to anime/manga titles. b) post-reject themes: people enter whatever themes they want, and audits would also have the option to blacklist the theme in addition to discarding it. For example, shoujo and shounen are already blacklisted; it's impossible to add those as theme for *any* anime. c) status quo: let the audits take care of removing the silly stuff. The idea of letting anyone enter anything often sounds ridiculous, but it's the reason why wikipedia is so frakin popular. Maybe if we give it a little more time we'll discover that the silly themes disappear quickly. The shakedown cruise is not yet over! And actually now that I think of it... a mix of a) and b) sounds nice. I would let people submit whatever they want, but when a completely new theme is submitted, an audit would be automatically started for it, and there would be the option to select "discard, this does not even fit the description of a theme" |
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Moomintroll
Posts: 1600 Location: Nottingham (UK) |
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That sounds like a workable solution. The only flaw I see in it is that it doesn't solve the problem of already existing duplications where multiple themes are correct but describe the same thing (e.g. School / High School or Bishojo / Bishoujo) so there would still have to be some weeding out of the current entries. |
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