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Horsefellow



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:10 pm Reply with quote
Obviously Japan and America have different political landscapes. Despite the numerous mangaka and directors who hold derogatory views of LGBT people none of them have been J.K. Rowling'd or Gina Carano'd over them. And while Wizards of the Coast were kicking their most iconic and long-standing artist to the curb after finding out she followed right-wing people on Twitter, Koichi Sugiyama was being awarded the Person of Cultural Merit award in Japan and is hailed as an industry legend who many musicians cite as their hero. Clearly either these views are the majority opinion in Japan, or people don't care enough about people's political views to let it influence their judgement of them or their work. For what it's worth only about 14% of Japan's population identify as left-wing.

Japan certainly has it's share of controversies and scandals, but not the kind that dominate the American entertainment industry. The death threats Anno got over Evangelion wasn't because he put a white girl in the show.

TarsTarkas wrote:
As American society has gotten more polarized, the middle ground has gone into hiding. This is reflected in anime fandom too. If you don't agree 100% with the left or the right, your dead meat. Now I am just tired of it all. The old wisdom still hold true, only talk to people you know can handle political talk. Don't talk to strangers.


It's pretty easy to avoid all that if you just stay off Twitter. Most people outside that landscape are pretty reasonable.
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TarsTarkas



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:32 pm Reply with quote
Horsefellow wrote:
It's pretty easy to avoid all that if you just stay off Twitter. Most people outside that landscape are pretty reasonable.


I don't have a Twitter account. You are right to a degree about social media in general, but there are plenty of 'people in person' landmines out there. So I still believe it is safer to only talk politics with people you know and trust.
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BBally



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:35 pm Reply with quote
I remember there was some controversy among the Anime fandom when people found out a notable animation director liked or posted tweets that hinted that he had some pro-Nazi sentiments and it made a big deal online for a while though I don't know what happened since.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:50 pm Reply with quote
Controversies in Japan over anime/manga/light novels have included hinting that a female character might not be a virgin, like that one on Kannagi, although that might have been a while now, I don't know if things are the same. It fits right into the whole idol culture, where they are not allowed to date anyone and they have to be presumed to be virgins. My understanding is that with Japan tattoos still have a very big stigma attached, in regards to something gang related.

If we are talking about why this sort of politics is so confrontational with the West, it probably is some element of pretty much two different cultures being created and coming into contact to try and defend themselves. You have had things like the protests about women, racial and LGBT rights, and have been met with another force of perhaps something like those of Christianity that fought back against those things due to religious dogma, thus those on the Left had to push harder for that change. Both political sides pushing harder is what creates the idea of politics really being something divided, where you get more scrutiny over people the sides might consider problematic.

One of the Girls und Panzer introduced a French school, BC Freedom, which were pretty much in constant war with itself between the rich and poor students, mirroring the idea of the French Revolution. And I have heard that the French Revolution played a big part in the creation of the idea of the Left and the Right in the west, where you had supporters of the monarchy on one side and those against on the other.
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Horsefellow



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:01 pm Reply with quote
BBally wrote:
I remember there was some controversy among the Anime fandom when people found out a notable animation director liked or posted tweets that hinted that he had some pro-Nazi sentiments and it made a big deal online for a while though I don't know what happened since.


There's quite a few directors that westerners have called Nazis so I'm not sure who you're specifically referring to but yeah, there's been industry people who've gotten blowback for spouting politics before. I remember when Yu-Gi-Oh!'s Kazuki Takahashi got some pushback because he posted a political message on his Instagram. A picture of Yugi and his monsters telling people Japan's current administration had sold out Japan and were giving jobs to foreigners over native residents and betraying their ideology He eventually deleted it and apologized. Although the backlash wasn't for his views specifically but more of a a "Hey man, let's keep politics out of Yu-Gi-Oh!, okay? Yugi shouldn't be telling me how to vote." Public figures being political is looked down upon.

DuskyPredator wrote:
Controversies in Japan over anime/manga/light novels have included hinting that a female character might not be a virgin, like that one on Kannagi, although that might have been a while now, I don't know if things are the same. It fits right into the whole idol culture, where they are not allowed to date anyone and they have to be presumed to be virgins. My understanding is that with Japan tattoos still have a very big stigma attached, in regards to something gang related.


While tattoos being taboo are mostly tied to gangs and crime, they're also sort of an anti-foreigner thing as well. A lot of westerners have tattoos, so an easy way to exclude foreigners without actually saying "no foreigners" is to not allow visible tattoos at an establishment or location. And yeah, an idol dating is controversial. Someone caught using drugs is also controversial They're both two things that are non-issues in America but are huge deals in Japan.
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BBally



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:37 pm Reply with quote
DuskyPredator wrote:
Controversies in Japan over anime/manga/light novels have included hinting that a female character might not be a virgin, like that one on Kannagi, although that might have been a while now, I don't know if things are the same. It fits right into the whole idol culture, where they are not allowed to date anyone and they have to be presumed to be virgins. My understanding is that with Japan tattoos still have a very big stigma attached, in regards to something gang related.

If we are talking about why this sort of politics is so confrontational with the West, it probably is some element of pretty much two different cultures being created and coming into contact to try and defend themselves. You have had things like the protests about women, racial and LGBT rights, and have been met with another force of perhaps something like those of Christianity that fought back against those things due to religious dogma, thus those on the Left had to push harder for that change. Both political sides pushing harder is what creates the idea of politics really being something divided, where you get more scrutiny over people the sides might consider problematic.

One of the Girls und Panzer introduced a French school, BC Freedom, which were pretty much in constant war with itself between the rich and poor students, mirroring the idea of the French Revolution. And I have heard that the French Revolution played a big part in the creation of the idea of the Left and the Right in the west, where you had supporters of the monarchy on one side and those against on the other.


I remember hearing that when Lupin III came out, the character of Fujiko Mine was controversial not because of her femme fatale image but because she drove a car, which apparently suggests women driving considered was taboo in Japan at the time.

Horsefellow wrote:
BBally wrote:
I remember there was some controversy among the Anime fandom when people found out a notable animation director liked or posted tweets that hinted that he had some pro-Nazi sentiments and it made a big deal online for a while though I don't know what happened since.


There's quite a few directors that westerners have called Nazis so I'm not sure who you're specifically referring to but yeah, there's been industry people who've gotten blowback for spouting politics before. I remember when Yu-Gi-Oh!'s Kazuki Takahashi got some pushback because he posted a political message on his Instagram. A picture of Yugi and his monsters telling people Japan's current administration had sold out Japan and were giving jobs to foreigners over native residents and betraying their ideology He eventually deleted it and apologized. Although the backlash wasn't for his views specifically but more of a a "Hey man, let's keep politics out of Yu-Gi-Oh!, okay? Yugi shouldn't be telling me how to vote." Public figures being political is looked down upon.


I decided to look it up and what happened is that 'Recovery of an MMO Junkie' anime director Kazuyoshi Yaginuma posted and liked tweets that supported anti-sematic sentiments and seems to be a holocaust denier, questioning whether that atrocity really happened, and even questioned the accuracy of Anne Frank’s diary.

https://kotaku.com/anime-director-causes-controversy-with-antisemitic-twee-1823182353

https://www.animeherald.com/2018/02/02/recovery-mmo-junkie-director-outs-neo-nazi-sympathizer/
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 11:36 pm Reply with quote
For me,I don't really get Kazuyoshi Yaginuma. The appalling antisemitism he displayed was despicable and vile. I'm not just disgusted about it,but also confused. Unlike places like America,Japan's never really had a significant Jewish community. I don't know if he said those things out of ignorance or whatever else but it's really hard for me to explain why. To me,Holocaust denial is a lot like denying Mount Everest exists. There's a ton of evidence that points to it,but for whatever reason,you don't want to see it.
If he's ignorant,then there are some things he can do about it. He can read up about the Holocaust,there are enough books on the subject that are there for him to read it. He can talk to either the few survivors left around or their descendants. Heck,ANN's own Rebecca Silverman would set him straight on this,given her knowledge on the subject. I've said it before,I'll say it again and I'll continue to say it. Jewish-Americans are as American as anyone. It seems that those like Yaginuma don't see it that way,and that's the most disgusting thing about him. I wouldn't be surprised if no one ever wants to work with him again.
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