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NEWS: Love and Lies Manga Gets 2 Endings


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Yune Amagiri



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:46 am Reply with quote
Thank you so much Musawo-sensei, i've never been able to choose between the 2 ships for years and i had already prepared myself to be sad no matter which one would sink or sail.

It seems like ending with multiple route is becoming more and more the go-to final for nowadays romcom mangas.
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Brook09



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:04 am Reply with quote
This is the way to go.

Wish something like that would have been implemented sooner, then we could have gotten the much more desired kuroneko or ayase end in oreimo LN/Anime!
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Animechic420



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:19 am Reply with quote
First Btooom and now this with the two endings. I wonder if this will become a thing.
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MFrontier



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:44 am Reply with quote
Oh, that's actually a good way of resolving the love triangle with two alternate endings for the different Heroines.
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HueyLion



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:15 am Reply with quote
Fair enough, honestly it's almost impossible to choose between the two girls (Although I lean more on to Ririna's side).

Well this should be interesting nevertheless.
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Animegomaniac



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:37 pm Reply with quote
Brook09 wrote:
This is the way to go.


No it is not.This same sort of "no ending" approach was applied to We Never Learn and it's the sort of wishy washy "Everyone gets a trophy" ending that makes me realize humanity should have stayed in the trees.

You as a writer make your choices and you as a writer take your chances. And if there's no stake in the ending then there's no sense to investing in the series itself. This multiple "winners" approach would have "saved" the endings that went poorly? It would have ruined works like Toradora and Ichigo 100% that didn't.
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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:03 pm Reply with quote
Animegomaniac wrote:


You as a writer make your choices and you as a writer take your chances. And if there's no stake in the ending then there's no sense to investing in the series itself. This multiple "winners" approach would have "saved" the endings that went poorly? It would have ruined works like Toradora and Ichigo 100% that didn't.


Didn’t Oreimo have a notoriously infamous ending precisely because of the writer “taking a chance”?

If your story has an ending that’s not the one all fans want (which is largely unavoidable anyway) you’re going to wind up with the problem of an ending that leaves you wondering why you wasted all that time following it all the same.

The best way to avoid problems like this is by not writing a story that involves multiple romantic or potential romantic relationships since logically such a setup would suggest the ending “should” involve the main character winding up with all their interests instead of just the one. But of course if you do that you’d have too easy a story that you also can’t milk as strongly.


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WingKing



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:27 pm Reply with quote
Animegomaniac wrote:
You as a writer make your choices and you as a writer take your chances. And if there's no stake in the ending then there's no sense to investing in the series itself. This multiple "winners" approach would have "saved" the endings that went poorly? It would have ruined works like Toradora and Ichigo 100% that didn't.


Seconded. Commit to an ending and stick to it. This multi-endings approach is just more corporatized/sanitized/“let’s try not to anger anybody” marketing garbage, and it’s stupid. It’s also a sign of bad writing in my book, because a properly developed story with properly developed characters should always have an ending that flows naturally out of everything that’s been built up to that point. If you get to the climax and you still have three or four equally workable endings, that means you failed.
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Collectonian



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:38 pm Reply with quote
I've read the first two volumes of this and was on the fence about continuing since it seemed to have a different focus and feel entirely from what I expected about the premise.

But yeah, this makes it a nope. I don't mind a love triangle, especially early, but if it's near the end then that should have been resolved already, not still be so split that having both paths is possible.

The writer says she had already decided this years ago, so it's a choice she's making and that's totally her choice to make. Just not one that appeals to me for this kind of story. Choose your own adventures have multiple endings, but the story goes with each ending from the choices you make, not just having the story be the same up until the end then bam, here are two roads. Neither ending would feel right to me in a case like that.
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Yune Amagiri



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:46 pm Reply with quote
I want to believe that We never Learn was an exception, throughout the whole penultimate arc ( even the previous one really ) the author focused on Uruka too much without devoting enough scenes for the others heroines, even going as far as ignoring some for months, hence the reason why her ending was the only one that didn't feel misplaced.

Doing a multiple routes story is hard to pull off in manga format but it doesn't mean that such ending cannot work. VNs are perfect exemple of how to make a multiple routes works. The story needs to respect a correct branching out, starting with a main route in which all main characters have equal status towards the protagonist and then splitting before one of them start to takes the lead,

We never Learn didn't have a lead girl until late so it could have work well as romance with multiple routes, the author shouldn't have start the branching out in what i consider to be Uruka arc but sooner and make longer routes, much longer ones to avoid inconsistency.

i've faith Love and Lies will turn out well.
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scowler



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:50 pm Reply with quote
I'm trying to imagine Quintuplets with five different endings... ugh.
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Araki



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:54 pm Reply with quote
Animegomaniac wrote:
Brook09 wrote:
This is the way to go.


No it is not.This same sort of "no ending" approach was applied to We Never Learn and it's the sort of wishy washy "Everyone gets a trophy" ending that makes me realize humanity should have stayed in the trees.

You as a writer make your choices and you as a writer take your chances. And if there's no stake in the ending then there's no sense to investing in the series itself. This multiple "winners" approach would have "saved" the endings that went poorly? It would have ruined works like Toradora and Ichigo 100% that didn't.



So much of this. I find this kind of thing to be terribly embarrassing and even coward.
Thank God this BS wasn't a thing when classics like Macross came out.
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Jay_Stone



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:50 pm Reply with quote
In my opinion, multiple endings in a manga or anime are kinda lame. The events and the different interactions of the characters with each other in the entire story should contribute to the ending. It would be weird to split the story based on the final arc.
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FilthyCasual



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:29 pm Reply with quote
Omnibus endings are based and one of the few things that Seo "Truckwreck" Kouji did correctly in Kimi no Iru Machi.
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jdnation



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:50 pm Reply with quote
Animegomaniac wrote:
No it is not.This same sort of "no ending" approach was applied to We Never Learn and it's the sort of wishy washy "Everyone gets a trophy" ending that makes me realize humanity should have stayed in the trees.

You as a writer make your choices and you as a writer take your chances. And if there's no stake in the ending then there's no sense to investing in the series itself. This multiple "winners" approach would have "saved" the endings that went poorly? It would have ruined works like Toradora and Ichigo 100% that didn't.


I have to agree. This sort of thing is fine in a videogame like Persona or something where you as the player can engage in things however you want with multiple branching paths.

But we kind of expect more from linear crafted stories. I don't think fan-ships should be taken seriously, but I feel that if the author is doing a triangle or harem romance story then the onus is on them where towards the end of the story, the main couple should be justified thanks to the course of events.

Ichigo 100% is a great manga! (Please - whoever has the license to it - translate & print the last few volumes before it mysteriously stopped releasing Stateside after 14!!!) When you got to the end, you could see why things went in that direction.

That said, I guess we can tolerate the rare series that decides to do alternate endings. I just wouldn't want to see this become commonplace.
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