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Giovanni Jiménez
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:44 pm
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So, this is a remake but now it happens in 2020.
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Break Xerxes
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:51 pm
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I’m sick of all the attention Toei gives Adventure, it just like Game Freak with Gen 1 of Pokémon. I wish we could get a sequel to Tamers but I doubt that’s ever going to happen.
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Lactobacillus yogurti
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:54 pm
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As much as I love Digimon, I think this is completely unnecessary. Let the classic stay as the classic. It doesn't need more reboots a la Captain Tsubasa.
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ninjamitsuki
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:14 pm
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Come on, give Tamers some love, dammit!
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Punch Drunk Marc
Joined: 04 Oct 2013
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:20 pm
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I get Tri was a hit (despite its problems) but like everyone is saying, we really don't need a remake of it. A Tamers sequel would be dope.
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Hagaren Viper
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:30 pm
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Casual reminder that every season/series that was not related to Adventure only sold a fraction of what Adventure related series did the japanese Tamers BDs sold less that 02's did even. So it's not too surprising we got to this point... I mean, how many people do you see talking about Appmon or Xros anymore?
It can't actually be worse than Tri at least.
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Everlasting Coconut
Joined: 22 Jul 2019
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:42 pm
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Break Xerxes wrote: | I’m sick of all the attention Toei gives Adventure, it just like Game Freak with Gen 1 of Pokémon. I wish we could get a sequel to Tamers but I doubt that’s ever going to happen. |
Tamers ended on a perfect note. Last thing I'd want Toei to do is to dig up its grave and milk it like they've been doing with Adventure.
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RealMTL
Joined: 09 Jun 2018
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:44 pm
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Wow, I might actually give this a shot. I've been getting the urge to watch Digimon since the Cyber Sleuth games came out on Switch.
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Crispy45
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:49 pm
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Break Xerxes wrote: | I’m sick of all the attention Toei gives Adventure, it just like Game Freak with Gen 1 of Pokémon. I wish we could get a sequel to Tamers but I doubt that’s ever going to happen. |
I would say the difference is Adventure truly is the only Digimon series most fans care about. 02 as well, to a lesser extent. Tamers and Frontier had a huge drop in ratings and popularity, leading to Frontier being cut short sooner than was planned. Since then, the franchise has had middling success with an occasional series every now and then, from Savers, to Xros Wars, to Appmon.
Pokemon has many fans for every generation and was constantly bringing in new fans every generation for both games and anime. Even if they pander to Gen I a bit too much, the other generations can actually stand on their own if need be. Black 2 and White 2 as well as Heart Gold and Soul Silver are often considered the best games in the franchise by many, not the original games, or even their remakes.
Otherwise, yeah, I agree an Adventure remake is totally unnecessary. Toei has completely taken off the mask now and shown they can't do anything with the franchise that doesn't involve Adventure. That being said, it could be good. Adventure had a number of problems, like the atrocious low budget and reused animation. It'd also be neat if the other kids besides Taichi and Yamato's Digimon got to their Ultimate forms outside of the PSP game re-imagining. But who knows, they could also endlessly wank Omegamon and ignore the other kids again.
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TsukasaElkKite
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:51 pm
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I would love an anime for V-Tamer 01.
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CastMember1991
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:10 pm
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I doubt we'll see anymore kids' anime that isn't Pokémon, Beyblade, and Bakugan on the Big Three kids' channels. Digimon has a lot of nostalgia. Nickelodeon at least should pick it up, because they already air Power Rangers.
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Firefly251
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:12 pm
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so hollywood is forced to do remakes....and now even anime.
lets see how they butcher it like HW does all the time.
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Replica_Rabbit
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:19 pm
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What the deal with the new movie? The movie said it Taichi and Agumon last adventure, why do a reboot right after? Let the original rest, what happened to the Digimon universe idea you did with appi mon? Did it fail that hard that you needed to bring out the nostalgia (I like Appi Mon, but don't like the designs)? They better bring there A game for this, if this isn't better then the original or Appi mon. I will be done with Digimon (coming from a guy who isn't done with Pokemon yet)
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Actar
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:44 pm
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I've given this reboot some thought and here's my opinion as a long-time Digimon fan.
First of all, the thing about reboots, is that almost all of the successful ones are closer adaptations of their source material than the originals. Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood immediately springs to mind. A reboot of Digimon, an anime-original, will have far more potential to fail because people will be comparing it relentlessly to the original. If it's too similar, there's no point in making it. It's going to be too predictable and boring. If it's too different, why bother remaking it? Fans are just going to get annoyed by the changes to the elements they love. Reboots are (almost) NEVER a good idea unless the original was fundamentally flawed in some way. I don't know about you, but I for one think the original Digimon Adventure, like Cardcaptor Sakura (another series NOT in desperate need of a reboot), holds up phenomenally.
Inevitable comparisons between the reboot and the original aside, a reboot might not be the best direction for the franchise itself. Sure, it may bring more attention to the franchise, but if the reboot is popular, the original will only be buried even further and made irrelevant. No one wants to watch the original when they have the newest remake readily available. I know, I'm guilty of this myself. If the reboot flops, it will only damage the brand by driving people away. If the reboot is popular, Toei will keep milking the Adventure cast, making the brand even more stale than it already is. If the reboot flops, they will think the brand as a whole is no longer profitable, discouraging them from making anything new. You see how it's a no-win situation?
If you ask me, one of the biggest reasons the Digimon anime succeeded where the Pokemon anime failed is that the protagonists' stories ended. Unlike Satoshi (Ash) who remained 10 forever, the protagonists of Digimon matured and grew with the audience. While tri. was rather horrendous, at the very least, it continued their stories. By having a reboot with the same characters, that's nothing more than regression and repetition. At worst, unlike Pokemon with its linear story line, the reboot has the potential of invalidating and overwriting the original iteration like what many reboots have in the past. Even if you were to argue that the characters are completely different individuals who happen to have the exact same names and identities, using the same characters in different ways will just serve to dilute the characters' unique and consistent identities, cheapening them and causing confusion among the fanbase/newer fans.
Look, I don't have an issue with a Digimon series updated for the current generation. The problem is that it's once again using the original cast for nothing more than nostalgia-baiting and marquee value. They used to mean something before all this overexposure. Take Taichi and the gang out and replace them with new characters. Will anything of value be lost story/plot-wise? Heck, a Cyber Sleuth anime would have hit all the exact same notes! I'm so tired of Adventure being used as nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Is focusing on Adventure the most prudent course of action? Of course it is! It's the perfect course of action from a producer's/business point of view. Is it the best thing for the franchise's integrity? Looking at Crimes of Grindlewald, Rise of Skywalker, Ghostbusters (2016), the Disney live-action remakes and a billion other horrible nostalgia-bating sequels, spin-offs and reboots... I don't think so.
Here's the thing... you don't need the original cast to popularize your IP! Back when Digimon first started, did anyone have any idea who Taichi or Agumon was? NOPE. They had to start from scratch and leverage everything on charming characters, emotional elements and poignant plots. Reusing the same characters is nothing but a lazy crutch to pander to older fans who will automatically like something because it happens to feature the same characters they liked growing up. If the series is really for a a brand new group of young viewers and they had confidence in their story and ideas, there should be no reason why they can't follow in the footsteps of Yu-Gi-Oh!, PreCure, Super Sentai or Kamen Rider, shows that constantly reinvent themselves every season. Instead of just copying the superficial elements from Adventure over and over and over again like the characters, perhaps they should go back and identify the core themes and elements that people enjoy about Digimon and figure out how to make that formula work consistently over the course of multiple projects.
Honestly, wanting to see more of something you grew up with regardless of whether it makes sense or not is a mentality I've never, ever understood. As mentioned previously, most of the time, stories are good because they have a very cohesive beginning, middle and end. Unless they have a VERY good story to tell, seeing more of our favorite characters on screen just because would be absolutely gratuitous, pointless, unnecessary and contrived and won't do them any justice. Why would you want to see your favorite characters being treated this way? In the same vein, even though I absolutely adore Tamers, I don't want a new Tamers series. I don't need a reboot or sequel that attempts to capture the feel or spirit of the original series because, guess what? If I want to experience the original series, I'll just rewatch it again! It's a beautiful end to a beautiful story. You know what happens after happily ever after? You get Belle's Magical World or Mulan II.
All that said and done, could I just ignore it? Of course I could. But, it's harder than you'd think as not only will the two be inextricably linked thanks to the reused characters and elements, I want you to understand that I am a Digimon fan. Ever since I started waking up every Saturday morning at 9 a.m. to watch it on television two decades ago. Ever since I cried my eyes out when my parents forgot to tape an episode for me. Ever since I got berated by my teachers for tending to my V-Pet during class. I love this franchise so much that it hurts to see Toei make decisions that are tantamount to self-sabotage. I love all these characters so much that I want them all to be given the utmost amount of respect they deserve.
I know that I'm completely selfish in this wish, as I'm sure that there will be tons of fans out there who will love them regardless, but honestly? As a die-hard fan myself, I'd rather have nothing new if all we're going to get is lazy and contrived cash grabs. It is in my humble opinion that if they don't have any more ideas or if the Digimon formula isn't actually something that's universal enough to be sustainable, there's no shame in calling it quits. Digimon has "died" before and I'm sure all will be well for both the fans and the franchise.
Could the reboot actually be, God forbid, GOOD? Could all of my fears never come to pass? Perhaps. I'm not denying the possibility. But with Toei's current track record? I wouldn't bet a dime.
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Psajdak
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:58 pm
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I think a lot of people rather hoped for a new Dragon Ball instead.
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