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RetroWinnipeg
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Excellent coverage from CBC News tonight, probably the only North American newscast that went in-depth on this subject.
https://youtu.be/DPgDQr-j9dI |
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icelava
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What I'd like to learn is if the building/company had, and practised, fire drills on a regular basis. |
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Jacut
Posts: 141 Location: Paris, France |
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Thank you for posting this comment. As we have both worked and lived in Japan for quite some time I guess (I still live there actually, but maybe not for long), it is easy for us to understand why and how somebody exposed to this culture from a young age could do this kind of thing, but it may be very difficult for people not living here to understand it. Mental health issues - as well as sleep-deprivation, bullying, stress, overwork, lack of intimacy etc..., all factors that aggravate mental issues - are very strong concerns to me as I observe Japanese people and their society every day, but as we both know, Japan always tends to put problems under the rug until it is too late. The man responsible for the fire will be prosecuted and get the death penalty, but it will be deemed as a case of another crazy person killing people senselessly, and the Japanese public/Government/society will never take the first step of realizing that Japan's school and work cultures are extremely deficient and lead to the rejection by the system of anybody that is slightly different from the norm and insane pressure for those inside the system. From my point of view, Japan needs to change and improve as a country - like every society and people need to improve and develop, but unfortunately, I don't sense any will by Japanese people to do that, only resignation at best. That is why, like you, I stay the furthest away from Japanese companies (the latest company I worked for in Japan was an international company with a mainly international management style) and why I am actively seeking a way out at the moment. |
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Crystalyn
ANN Managing Editor
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Yes, ANN's staff are aware of controversial comments by a certain director and no, we have absolutely no plans on giving that any press whatsoever.
Also, please stop commenting with rumors of who is safe, injured, or who has died. As I stated at the beginning of this thread, please link to credible sources only (and most commentors have been doing that, thank you very much). We want to give authorities time to notify next of kin, and are waiting for either the police or KyoAni to officially give a statement regarding who has died. Last edited by Crystalyn on Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:58 am; edited 1 time in total |
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RegSuzaku
Posts: 273 Location: Ikebukuro |
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This is true, and it's also true that a lot of people get into anime expecting that to be their salvation, and then it turns out that it isn't... (Which obviously doesn't make it okay to use physical violence, because neither does anything else. And that obviously had nothing to do with the actual animators. The people who did the novel contest probably work in the offices in Tokyo, not in Kyoto at all.) But I hope people don't take this out on other people who had problems with the novel contest thing... I hope people don't start going, "yes, the anime industry is all sunshine and rainbows, and never unfair, and if you don't think so, then you're as bad as that arsonist!" But intense emotions lead people down those paths... .... also, there are also probably artists who lost their physical ability to draw... that's a fate way worse than death... The local government's buildings/fire safety/whatever government office is (or should have been) in charge of inspecting buildings? Whoever's in charge there should also go to prison over this. I don't even want to say "they should at least resign" because a resignation is not enough. The actual culprit is out of this - even one murder is enough for the death penalty, so that's that for him. Death is death. You can't die 33 times. Charge him with five murders, and the buildings department with negligence for 28. But they'll probably be covered up by politics, and get away with it. |
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Mohawk52
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According to this NHK World report it seems the baka that did this was a bit of a nut bar with a previous criminal record.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20190719_28/ Sentai Filmworks Director John Ledford was just on NHK's "Newsroom Tokyo" stating all collected proceeds from his online fundraising will be "100% distributed to the victims". he went on to say "every anime fan round the world are shocked and sadened by this tragic event". He was also showing emotional upsettment himself during the interview as well. Newsroom Tokyo is available for repeat streaming shortly after live broadcast at NHK World's website. |
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omiya
Posts: 1844 Location: Adelaide, South Australia |
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'your name.' director vows not to flinch after arson at Kyoto studio
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190719/p2g/00m/0et/058000c |
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DatRandomDude
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The death toll went up to 34 now, someone died from his injuries at the hospital today.
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KyuuA4
Posts: 1361 Location: America, where anime and manga can be made |
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I'm a bit late to the news. Regarding KyoAni, like many people, yea, I've watched their works. I've felt them. Most recently, it was Violet Evergarden, which inspired me on the importance of letter writing and the transferring of feeling through them.
With that, I give my thanks to KyoAni for creating works of inspiration. They'll recover from this and move on. As for the victims, they died doing what they loved to do. As for the attacker, I hope he gets the death penalty. There is no excuse for what he did. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Even if they had they are in no way an adequate comparison to something like this. You can prepare and run drill all you like but until you are actual caught in something like this those drills mean nothing. You can do them and hope for the best, but ultimately reality is much harsher and things don't go as planned. |
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12Zwolf12
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People seem to forget that this was an intentional attack and not some random fire breaking out. No fire safety regulation can prepare you for intelligent fire spreading to the rescue path first and sprinklers do nothing against the extremely hot gas fire.
The guy planned this and aimed at the escape routes first, nothing can help against something like this. |
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Sailor Sedna
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He'll get it. A first degree murderer in Japan gets hung. |
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Xristophoros
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and what makes you think the death penalty is the right choice here? if you ask me, that is too easy. he should live the rest of his life struggling in a miserable jail cell. you would be doing him a favour otherwise. |
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reanimator
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Even without arson, Kyoto Animation building itself was already a death trap.
According to Yahoo Japan report, 19 people were found dead at stairway that leads roof as there was no escape from smoke. Also open spiral stairway and lack of inner walls helped spreading the fire faster to other floors. Building had alarm and fire extinguishers, but not legally required to have sprinklers or fire exits. https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20190719-00010012-fnnprimev-soci https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20190719-00000034-mai-soci |
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jellybeanbandit
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The rest of the outlets are too busy spinning this to fit a narrative and claiming this as a "victory" against otaku and anime avatars. Scumbags. |
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