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INTEREST: Bulma Voice Actress Monica Rial Shares Alleged Inappropriate Encounters With Vic Mignogna

Naruto Guru wrote:

I still think asking each person when 90% are fine with it and 9.9%, usually male/male, are obviously not based on body language is a bit ridiculous.

Jesus.

90% success is 10% failure. You should not be accepting a 10% failure rate in your general social interactions, that's massively unacceptably high and will lead to severe negative social outcomes.

Seriously: flip the proportions. Instead of 10% of your interactions causing offense-or-fear, imagine if one out of ten of your interactions made you offended or scared? Because that's the same situation mirrored: if other people acted as you've declared you intend to act, that's the result you'd experience.

Golden Rule, you've probably heard of it: do unto others as you would wish to be treated by others. But it works when you're considering ranges of possible outcomes too. Like a rainbow: each drop produces its own rainbow, but each part of the rainbow you see is scattered by a different drop. What comes in is what goes out, scattered and recollected.

Like, seriously, if you halved that, one-in-twenty of your interactions going pear-shaped, you'd qualify as "horrible arsehole". Even 1%, an order of magnitude less, is pretty bad! Actual one-in-ten as a ruling rate, a rate you've described as "ridiculous" -- what's your actual target for causing offense or fear? One in five? one in four? -- is just mind-blowing.

It is impossible to overemphasise quite how far out of line with social expectations your described behaviour is: eyeballing it, I'd say you're probably causing offense and fear at a rate around fifty times what's actually socially acceptable, quite possibly significantly higher.

Everyone is far too eager to be judge, jury, and executioner these days. If investigations were done and he was found guilty, fine, fire him. But being fired up in a self-righteous rage toward a guy you'll never even meet, or directing hate toward those who accused him for that matter, is foolish.

See, that's the thing. Certain hugs can be plenty intimate, and then there some cultures use a kiss as a greeting the same way we would a handshake. I try to put my arm around most people to leave them with a good photo, and I've had the occasional creep touch *me* inappropriately and suggestively. For me, the lesson learned was that it's necessary to speak up then and there. When you take something so common and grey as that and then add a vague and amorphous rule like 'consent', nothing good can possibly come of it. Consent doesn't mean a darn thing; creeps are always going to be able to get away with claiming somebody consented who didn't, and morally corrupt individuals or groups are going to incite witch hunts by revoking their consent retrospectively. Everything that's been happening over the past few months ought to be a wakeup call that clearer rules need to be established. If we need a verbal yes or a written contract, so be it, but consent isn't gonna cut it.

As for all of the workplace regulations and such... ok, but dealing with enthusiastic fans and dealing with co-workers are two completely different animals. I think me too started off as something good. People who dealt with real creeps (especially in the entertainment business; those film directors, Bill Cosby, etc) finally started to speak up. But at this point, it's become a social media fad more than anything else, and half of the people I see get accused and lose their jobs end up proven innocent shortly after. Chris Hardwick, Enzo Amore... there are plenty.

Naruto Guru wrote:

See, that's the thing. Certain hugs can be plenty intimate, and then there some cultures use a kiss as a greeting the same way we would a handshake. I try to put my arm around most people to leave them with a good photo, and I've had the occasional creep touch *me* inappropriately and suggestively. For me, the lesson learned was that it's necessary to speak up then and there. When you take something so common and grey as that and then add a vague and amorphous rule like 'consent', nothing good can possibly come of it. Consent doesn't mean a darn thing; creeps are always going to be able to get away with claiming somebody consented who didn't, and morally corrupt individuals or groups are going to incite witch hunts by revoking their consent retrospectively. Everything that's been happening over the past few months ought to be a wakeup call that clearer rules need to be established. If we need a verbal yes or a written contract, so be it, but consent isn't gonna cut it. As for all of the workplace regulations and such... ok, but dealing with enthusiastic fans and dealing with co-workers are two completely different animals. I think me too started off as something good. People who dealt with real creeps (especially in the entertainment business; those film directors, Bill Cosby, etc) finally started to speak up. But at this point, it's become a social media fad more than anything else, and half of the people I see get accused and lose their jobs end up proven innocent shortly after. Chris Hardwick, Enzo Amore... there are plenty.

For the first bolded sentence, consent isn't a new thing IMO. Asian cultures are especially clear about that. If "amorous" cultures do exist, then it's about time they change. Culture should not be an excuse to abuse. Like, I've heard throwing food at someone on their birthday was even a thing(?) Moreso in modern society, where people of all walks of life are connected and coexist, being mindful is a good step forward.

As for the second bolded.. Who knows. The business world is messed up, even without the movement I wouldn't go near them anyways. Sleeping the way up is common. An interesting fad of karma, maybe.

I'd say was common, not so much these days. It started dropping off in the 90s when equal rights were really starting to be pushed and incidents started to emerge, and these days with so many lawsuits and the fact mere mention can bring someone down within their own sphere the intended targets of these ladder climbers shy away from it. That isn't to say some still give in, but with social media and such it is a lot riskier

I would say "sleeping your way up" is a pretty backwards way to put it.
If we're talking the most common scenario, a man in power and a woman either not or with significantly less, it's more like "sleep with or be forced down."

I have attended Acen (Anime Central) for the past five years, and every year I've walked away from it finding it to be one of the most energizing experiences of the year. Maybe the kind of stuff you're talking about isn't going on as much anymore, but I can feel the excitement and enthusiasm just from walking around the dealer's hall or the various 'con venues, or playing in a Cards Against Humanity event with literally hundreds of other people.

So yeah, I don't find 'cons these days to be the slightest bit more boring than anything that went on in the mid-'00s.