Forum - View topicNEWS: Vic Mignogna Replaced in Morose Mononokean English Dub Cast (Update)
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Ali07
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Wow, had no idea about Vic being Bubsy. Or that there's going to be a new Bubsy game. I'll be getting this, nothing will stop me from new Bubsy (I think have my original SNES and the first Bubsy game, never got around to Bubsy 2 ).
This one seems...kinda huge. Wasn't expecting seeing Monica come forward as a victim. It will be interesting to see what she has to say, when she's ready to say it. Gonna take some guts to "put pen to paper", when Monica decides to lay it all out there. Because, not only will it be something painful for her, but she'd also be thinking of the backlash that will come from doing so. Some people will not react well to it. |
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Dessa
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Thought I had today, regarding the complaints over him losing roles because of this.
To preface, I've said before that while I'd heard the allegations about inappropriate behavior (including and especially toward minors), I had never previously seen reports. My dislike of him comes purely toward his treatment of convention staff, which I have personally witnessed and experienced. From what I have seen, via posts and in the articles, Vic himself is "recognizing" that his actions have made people uncomfortable (to say the least), and claims that he is going to do better. Just for fun, let's compare this to an addict. They've recognized that their addiction is a problem, and say they're going to do better. What's the first thing that you're supposed to do? Take away their access to their addiction. If it's something that isn't a super-dangerous thing (like drugs), once they're past the addiction, it could be possible to reintroduce the access in a limited form (like, a casual drink of alcohol), provided it doesn't go to far. But you have to wean them off of it first. As I see it, Vic's problems stem from the idol status he's cultivated among a certain fanbase. And it's the attention from the fanbase that's his addiction. So instead of seeing it as "his career is being ruined," think of it more as removing him from the public eye, to combat his addiction. Roles, and attending conventions to promote these roles, is contributing to the problem. So that needs to be removed so that things can heal (on all sides). |
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Greed1914
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That is an interesting take on it that I hadn't considered, but I can see where it fits. The recent convention video shows him saying that he got lazy and assumed that everyone was ok with it because so many seemingly were. That does sound kind of similar to statements that addicts frequently make that they don't see the problem or didn't see a problem at the time until somebody stepped in to do something. |
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AsmariaHendrick
Posts: 7 Location: Dallas, TX |
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Thank you for clearing this up and not deleting it. It actually puts me more at ease and helps me understand the situation. Causing more confusion is not what I wanted, I want to be sure that the things we read here and this Vic situation is coming from an unbiased/not money motivated source. I won't take it more off topic than that, but I truly do appreciate all of the information, even if I feel like figuring out after all this time that one bears responsibility as a news outlet is kind of late. Better late than never.
This coupled with the above by Mad_scientist does make sense. Man, this is a minefield to navigate and understand. I really hope that all the parties that interact with Vic and other voice actors in the future can learn to hold themselves to higher standards of accountability when things are reported, or even rumors start up. It really does come down to the fact that all of this has gone on for so long without anyone (In power) doing anything about it.
I see how you could think I might believe it's never been brought up before, and if I was unclear about that I apologize, but what bugs me more is that when it HAS been brought up, no one in power did anything and it would die down and disappear. I've been going to cons since 1998, believe me I have seen and heard the entire shitstorm. This isn't new to me. I've known friends and convention staff who were treated rudely by him, heard people speak up about the stories before, and it always just disappears into the void as another Vic rant. Conventions and dubbing companies are the ones that hold the power here and only now is it being this big thing when they should have listened from the start. That's why I'm mad. |
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Aresef
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Monica Rial, she says, did try to do something about it. She confronted him. Twice. And you know what happened? Nothing. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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We've said it before in each of the Vic threads, and I'll repeat it again. Keep the discussion on topic. We're not going to discuss what other people have said on twitter. If/when those topics get covered there will be appropriate threads for discussion. While Monica's tweets may be about Vic they have zero to do with this specific topic.
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Aresef
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While I respect this stance, what is this news about if not Vic? Nobody here is really talking about the show or the change so much as they are the allegations against him. What do you want us to do, pretend the tweets aren’t out there? |
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TdFern 87
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Can I ask does Vic deserve to be punished like this?
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Ali07
Posts: 3333 Location: Victoria, Australia |
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Bit of a loaded question, IMO. Personally, this still feels like it falls into the realm of "go quite for a while, and job will come again later". But, what could change all that, is what Monica Rial says. That could change the realm I see it in, and potentially have a large influence on the decision makers within the industry. |
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Sethimothy
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A better question, and one the anime fandom as a whole needs to ask, is: "Why did it take so long for him to be punished like this?" |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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What we want you to do is what we've said multiple times, wait for appropriate threads on those topics if/when they show up. And yes I know that nobody is talking about the show (which is the topic) and just continuing arguments from every other Vic thread. Which is redundant, off topic as it applies here, and only serves to inflame an already volatile and serious situation. |
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Lynx Raven Raide
Posts: 412 Location: Central Coast, AU |
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I know I am dragging up a page 3 post, but I want to somewhat applaud your mindset here, cause it shows how much things have changed. Even as close as 5 years ago, people, especially victims, had a hard time bringing this kind of thing up. He's famous, I'm a nobody, nothing will happen: That is the mentality preventing people from bringing this kind of thing to light. That's how people felt back then, scared to speak up or feeling the person in question wouldn't be held accountable. Your response is how that mentality has changed. Today we think to nip it in the bud, rather than let it blossom into a career-destroying train wreck with a trail of victims. This gives me great hope for the future. However, please still keep in mind that mindset didn't apply to 5, 10, 20 years past. We have come a long way from the 'do favours to get ahead' mentality of the 80's, but that was the mentality of then and we can't exactly play the 'Why wasn't anything said' card that we can say of infractions today. |
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