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bonbonsrus
 Posts: 1537 Location: Michigan, USA |
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I was saying the other day that I was trying to finish up some titles I am partly through, and I just got Kodocha disk 12, there is one more released here and then the rest was never brought over. I am still not going to be able to list this in my all seen unless I search around for subs somewhere to finish the series, or I have to say, yeah, I saw it all, when I didn't, but I did see all released here.
I am sure this isn't the only series this has happened to, I know it happened to Fist of the North Star (not New) as well, and I am sure there are more I can't think of. What do you all do in this situation, any thoughts? Would you list as seen all or not? Is it bound to be listed as "seen some" forever? Yeah, it's not a big deal, just wondering. 
I do however not rate anything until it is in my "all seen" [EDIT: Moved to Anime forum with OP's permission. ~Zalis] |
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Zewerr
 Posts: 539 Location: Tacoma, WA |
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I'm in pretty much the same mind set as you. I will never tranfer it over to "seen all" until I have sat through every episode that is listed in the encyclopedia from beginning to end. I also do not rate anything until I have seen it in full from beginning to end. The endings of many anime series have changed my feelings on the series a point or two plenty of times. One thing I do try, is not start a series until I know the entire thing is readily available for me to watch. I absolutely hate leaving a series hanging. It's one of my biggest pet peaves. So I ususally never have any more than 5 or 6 things in my "seen some" section.
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Throw me in this party too. I can't say I've "seen all" of something unless I actually have. I used to throw in titles I had seen all I could get a hold of (as in US release) into this category but over the years I've changed my opinion on that. I try to not start series I can't actively finish but I've been getting worse about that lately. Doesn't help I change my mind too damn often and jump from one series to another. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
 Posts: 9902 Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan, ROC |
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Just to be more nitpicking: it's "seen all," not "all seen."
There's a situation that few people have recognized: local licensor discontinues the series quietly without alerting the fandom. It can be done on more episodic titles and has happened twice on me: Meibutsu! Tabitetsu Tomo no Kai and Oboretai. In the former case, I own the licensed 11 volumes (with "END" on the spine of volume 11), and with the information on Wikipedia volume 12 is more like a supplemental and has little importance to the main plot that has been concluded nicely at the end of volume 11. Therefore I rated the series as "excellent" while it remains in "seen some." In the case of Oboretai, I feel the story has not yet completely concluded (although its episodic nature rendered the last chapter of volume 5 as an "acceptable" ending), so it remains unrated in My Manga. |
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Emerje
 Posts: 7413 Location: Maine |
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Maybe what we need is a new "seen most" option. To me in this context saying "seen some" implies that you caught a couple on VOD or at a con or it's something you've only recently started, while "seen most" would imply that you've nearly finished it or at least seen the majority of the episodes. Just doesn't feel right saying you've seen some of an anime when you've seen 25 of its 26 episodes.
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Mylene
 Posts: 2792 Location: Indiana |
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I hate that Kodocha will be in limbo for me as well. Of course, right now I'm still scrambling to get volumes 9 and 10. Just received word that Right Stuf canceled them from my order, and they're out of stock at Amazon, DVDPacific, and RACS. They may or may not be in stock at DeepDiscount, but I'm not sure...I wish they had some sort of stock indicator.
Anyway, I'll just leave things in the "seen some" field until I've seen it all, and continue to have faith that someday, just maybe, the rest of the series will actually be available. This is especially true for Kodocha as I just finished reading the manga (finally) and loved it. |
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Ongaku_no_tenshi
 Posts: 209 Location: Virginia |
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"Tenshi ni Narumon!" is also a show that will, probably forever, be left in limbo. I personally think this show is great and was really happy when Snych-Point licensed it for release here in North America. But unfortunately, half way through the series, their rights over the license for this show expired and they never renewed it. So now, I'm stick with three volumes, only 13 episodes (half of the entire 26 episode series), and no hope for the show getting a full release. You have no idea how pissed off I was about this when the news broke. At that point, I said, "F**k Synch-Point!". I was angry because that was really unprofessional of them. Sure, they did a great job with "FLCL" (and I am very grateful for the release of that ova series), but this was completely unacceptable.
Another case of this similar situation, for me, is with the show "When They Cry - Higurashi". I have the three dvds released for that as well before Geneon USA lost their distributor. I sincerely hope this title is picked back up for distribution so I won't be left with two unfinished series. Because the wound from "Tenshi ni Narumon!" still hurts a little every time I look at those three dvd volumes on my shelf and the news about Geneon and the stop of distribution of Higurashi just opened the wound up again.
I agree. The manga is really great. I brought every volume of Kodocha manga as soon as they were released and every volume was, and still is, a great read. I'm not even going to bother buying the dvds of the anime adaption until it is official that the entire show will get a full release in North America. I'm doing everything in my power these days to avoid getting burned a third time. Mainly when it comes to my purchasing decisions for anime dvds. We live in a very unstable time in anime fandom, or anything else going on now for that matter. Take care everyone J. Green |
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Zalis116
Moderator
 Posts: 6901 Location: Kazune City |
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I did put Super Gals! in my Seen All list after I'd seen the first season, when the second season was completely unavailable. But even before Rightstuf made their announcement, I decided to move it to Seen Some, because those other 26 episodes were still out there whether or not I was able to watch them. On the other hand, I put Wolf's Rain in Seen All even though I never watched the 4 recaps -- since those 4 eps don't offer very much new material, and seeing the rest of the episodes gives the complete story from beginning to end.
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Ongaku_no_tenshi
Posts: 209 Location: Virginia |
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So, you mean to say that Synch-Point let go of the show on purpose? I really hope that's not the case, because if it is, the tiny little ounce of respect I have left for them will be gone. |
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Mylene
Posts: 2792 Location: Indiana |
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I ordered from DeepDiscount for the time being--we'll see if they were actually in stock or not though. I've been through the Marketplace looking, and I'll keep them in mind if DD falls through. The "new" ones were just a bit more than I was willing to pay per DVD right now. DVDPriceSearch is sort of a last resort for me, because most of the time it pops up stores I've never heard of before, and I prefer to stick to the familiar or to places I've heard recommendations for here. |
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El Oso
 Posts: 105 Location: Rummaging through camp sites. |
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I think that's valid. I generally tend to skip recap episodes too. If I find there's any new material I just watch that portion of the episode. The only show I've put in Seen All that I skipped a chunk of episodes was Naruto. I just can't bring myself to watch all those crappy fillers after episode 135(?). |
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Ramadahl
Posts: 325 Location: MK, UK |
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Well, I just leave them to lie in "seen some" forever - I've still got Zoids in there from, oh, 5 years past when it used to be on early morning TV. Sure, I'll probably never watch it again, but who knows? Besides, I don't watch anime just to fill up my "seen all" list, so why not leave it there?
The only series I ever moved to "seen all" before I'd completed it was Mushishi, when the fansub group I was following stopped on episode 25 out of 26. And since Mushishi was episodic anyway, and the last episode wasn't going to change my opinion of the series, I figured what the hell. Saves me moving it later on. |
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HitokiriShadow
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I only put something in Seen All if I've actually seen all of it. I may may make an exception for recap episodes and I put DBZ in all seen even though I didn't actually see every single episode (I missed some here and there when I was watching it on Cartoon Network).
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KyuuA4
 Posts: 1361 Location: America, where anime and manga can be made |
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Seen All. Seen Some. I make no distinction as -- even for those under Seen All -- the longer since my last viewing -- the less I remember -- as if I've only seen bits and pieces in the first place.
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Kelly
Posts: 868 Location: New York City |
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I really feel that anime shouldn't be rated at all - with exceptions for recap episodes as Zalis mentioned and possible exceptions for unusually long series - unless we've seen the whole thing. There could be a drastic change mid-series or the series could have an ending that makes or breaks it. To review before a complete viewing could give a false impression to those who use the ANN rankings to help them determine what to watch.
I personally wouldn't rate a series I hadn't watched the whole way through, but that's just my own opinion. |
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