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samuelp
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:40 am
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Chester McCool wrote: |
CrownKlown wrote: | There is plenty of Fire Emblem, and ungodly amounts of Splatoon. And there are a lot of zelda. Mario is the only thing I dont think I seems to have that much. |
You forgot Pokemon, which has THOUSANDS.
Nintendo stuff gets plenty of doujinshi, it's just most Nintendo stuff isn't really appealing to a lot of people for porn. Mario characters are too cartoony IMO. But Pokemon, Splatoon, Fire Emblem? Definitely. Zelda's hit-or-miss. No to WW, yes to BOTW and HW
Nintendo is totally cool with doujinshi. Splatoon practically dominates some conventions. |
Actually you are right and Nintendo has really backed away from going against doujin publicly starting with the release of splatoon.but for years prior to that they were one of the more hardline anti doujin ip holders out there.
What’s undeniable is that when a company publicly states that the gray area of doujinshi is something they are not allowing it depresses the creators from making stuff.
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Kicksville
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:43 am
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I wonder what happened that would push them to go this far. That one incident listed in the article from a few months ago seems pretty mild...were things like that super common or something?
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simona.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:55 am
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their tweet actually mentions "dojin merchandise, etc." not dojinshi per se.
I'd be surprised if they wanted to stop dojinshi, it's more PR than anything for them.
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SWAnimefan
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:59 am
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Hoppy800 wrote: | Attacking doujin is overreaching and can kill the franchise. I wouldn't go that far as it is the true point of no return. |
Calling it "attacking" is going a bit too far, since they aren't attacking, insulting, or degrading doujin at all. And it surely isn't going to harm the franchise, nor end it. If fans gave up that easily, then they wouldn't be fans at all.
If these doujin artists are talented enough to sell their products, then they just have to create their own brand. Other doujin artists have done this and even managed to get their works noticed and they became professionals. So it's not the end just a new beginning.
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chronos02
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:47 am
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I seriously doubt they'll go after Doujinshi, these kinds of public statements are there to deter small-time bootleg offenders from producing G&P goods, as well as a warning to more important bootleg creators.
Doujinshi have become the feedback that keeps franchises afloat when the production companies don't output any ads or material, so going against them is, in fact, like shooting at their own feet. It's counterproductive, and it also damages their own image in the mind of their fans who, this being G&P, are mostly pretty hardcore otaku, which we all know consume lots of doujinshi.
Unless, they're abandoning the franchise after this movie, and they want it to die off asap, it wouldn't be strange in that scenario, but would a company want to kill one of their franchises while also running their own company's image through the mud? I'm not so sure about this...
Remember, legally, they are in their right to do this, but socially, it's like commiting suicide. If I had to bet, I'd bet on this being a bluff to deter "bad copyright infringement".
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Zalis116
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:23 pm
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Hoppy800 wrote: | Attacking doujin is overreaching and can kill the franchise. I wouldn't go that far as it is the true point of no return. |
Has that ever demonstrably happened to any franchise that has gone after doujinshi?
Top Gun wrote: | Don't franchises like this primarily exist to make porn of them? |
noted, but you'd think the creators would've thrown in more than an iota of fanservice if that were the case. Even the promos correctly promised that there'd be no pantyshots.
As far as I can tell, the doujin volume for GuP seems to be driven more by sheer force of popularity than by in-universe content.
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Paulo27
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:44 pm
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Extremely dumb move.
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Meongantuk
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:40 pm
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Zalis116 wrote: |
Hoppy800 wrote: | Attacking doujin is overreaching and can kill the franchise. I wouldn't go that far as it is the true point of no return. |
Has that ever demonstrably happened to any franchise that has gone after doujinshi? |
Utapri? But there hasn't been any new utapri in the past two years (beside mobage) and there are a lot more male idol franchise nowadays. It probably won't affect the franchise much if they keep the official contents regularly run, but if not..... Let's pray the audience hasn't move on.
Rather than instantly kill the franchise, doujin can lengthen/shortens the franchise's longevity in the period of no official content (assuming the doujin creators stay in the fandom). So, most of the time those franchise bereft of doujin and official contents are simply forgotten.
There are plenty of companies that ban doujin merchandise, but allows doujin books like Love Live. In GuP's case, the tweet's wording is a bit unclear whether they only ban the merch or everything.
Quote: | If these doujin artists are talented enough to sell their products, then they just have to create their own brand. Other doujin artists have done this and even managed to get their works noticed and they became professionals. So it's not the end just a new beginning. |
Depends on what kind of selling, does capable of selling one book is the same as selling hundreds?. Putting stuff at Comiket/similar events does not require amazing talent, just money (for table and printing stuff). Majority of fan-creators in comiket belongs to the former than the later. Sure there are people who bought their works but are they noticeable enough to penetrate the pro world? Sadly, no.
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forexjammer
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:46 pm
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Well, this is stupid. GuP fanbase lives through those doujinshi. You mean fans aren't supposed to do anything so the series will be known? The fact that the movies is coming randomly doesn't help at all. This is 100% not the creator decision, silly Japanese publisher only care about the shekels I guess.
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simona.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:34 am
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can someone please amend the article since the discussion is going off topic?
see my previous post ^
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samuelp
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:14 am
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simona.com wrote: | their tweet actually mentions "dojin merchandise, etc." not dojinshi per se.
I'd be surprised if they wanted to stop dojinshi, it's more PR than anything for them. |
Looking at the original tweet, you are correct... It specifically says that "goods which are produced without permission", and then mentions that this also applies to goods created from derivative works...
It seems to only apply to "グッズ" which does not include standard doujinshi or things like art. It only includes physical objects like keychains, figures, clearfiles, etc.
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