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AiddonValentine
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Statistically speaking, those on the right wing are far less likely to be feminist. Furthermore, as others have said, that site is wrapped in the language of feminism, but it's not an actual feminist site due to the content. The group is anti-sex and amti-erotica, two things you don't see fro m feminists |
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Utsuro no Hako
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The no true Scotsman argument is only fallacious when denying the Scottishness of somebody from Scotland. It's a legitimate argument when somebody holds up Ahmed from Pakistan as an example of Scottishness. There are a wide array of views represented in feminism, some of them to the right of center, but outright social conservatism is antithetical to the movement.
They're trolling. They're adopting the rhetoric of feminism to push an anti-feminist cause, the same way you'll see racists and misogynists use the language of anti-racism to claim that they're being oppressed and "cishet white male" is a slur. In both cases, they're simply using the terminology of their opponents without adopting the actual arguments of the other side. Calling a group "feminist" when they're pushing policies that will lead to the victimization and death of sex workers is laughable. |
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
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I'm finding holes in your logic. As an anime fan, I've been around jerkass gatekeepers and "true anime fan" idiots a lot of the time.... So you're practically saying such acts of discriminatory and exclusionary persecution are totally different intrinsically? My issue with the entire thing is that for a country that espouses freedom of expression and equal rights for all, apparently none of the heart or need to understand is required. Sure, we could blame radical misanderists, but why not just label all women's rights groups together under an umbrella and call it a day? Because that's not right. If you want blame game responses from me, I think it's because Steam is filled with douchebag wannabe frat boy bitter sexually frustrated suburbia raised toxic "mr. man" nerds who treat the workplace like their own underground internet forum and lack any knowledge or understanding on culture or the world, and come to pull off @#$# like this whenever they can't get any action. |
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yuna49
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The Dragon Age series allows you to romance other characters and have sex with them, too. The first game, Origins, was the most explicit of the three with the sexual content considerably toned-down in the most recent installment, Inquisition. I just recently romanced Josephine in that game and got a kiss on the balcony as my reward, though I recall ending up in bed with a topless Cassandra in another play-through. Origins had scenes of simulated sex, but Inquisition shows only the aftermath. |
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encrypted12345
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My ultimate issue isn't that Steam is banning lewd. It's that Steam is inconsistent about banning lewd. Gahkthun is more lewd than Kindred Spirits but was untouched because it got an "M" rating from the ESRB. A lot of these games are on a similar boat, at least based on their Steam versions only.
I think that even if they are happy, they are not the absolute root cause. I suspect that the issue is Steam being overzealous about trying to avoid breaking some new Washington state law or trying to make sure they won't be banned by sexually conservative China. Their front page claims that they are responsible for ending sexual exploitation in Google, Youtube, and the Department of Defense, which I find unlikely. Also, most of their so called "Dirty Dozen" list was untouched other than Huniepop and House Party. |
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CatSword
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I'm not sure that Steam knows exactly what they're demanding changes to. At least one of the games they sent the notice to has no nudity at all in the Steam version (not even bare breasts), though images from the 18+ patch version are on the community page.
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Cam0
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Wait, what? Are you sure you aren't getting them mixed up? Or is my memory playing tricks on me? Inquisition is definitely the most explicit of all the Dragon Age games. It showed nips while Origins and 2 mostly showed kissing and then it faded to black. |
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
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It's not my fault that those kinds of gamers are raised in toxic environments with an unhealthy dose of clingy attachment to outdated and elitism rooted standards that don't favor them at all, and with a sense of nationalism and territorialism to feed them back into a vicious abusive cycle of self loathing and hate. It's also not like there are egotistic females who are taught and encouraged to be spoiled and lazy, and then whine, spit out bitter resentment and selfish vindication, do nothing when it comes to proving a point, and turn out to be just as nasty, vehement, and ignorantly bigoted too, right? I still blame society for this, but hey? What do I know? It's not like it could affect what I or others enjoy, right? |
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Chester McCool
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Some do, some don't. It's irrelevant to say this because it's a thing that happens to an alarming degree. I can link you to various progressives who gleefully celebrate and beg localizes to "fix" "problematic games". I can also link you to various American localizing company employees that openly brag about doing as such, often times openly mocking "whiny gooberdygobbler fanboys" who complain. A lot of people who worked on games like Fire Emblem Fates and Tokyo Mirage Sessions were openly smug on their censorship.
This line has to be satire.. In case it's not, it doesn't matter what you personally deem feminism. Sex-positive feminism is just one subsection of the mindset. The implication of sex-positive feminism being that there are sections of feminism that are sex-negative, which are the kind that usually get angry over boobie games. Last edited by Chester McCool on Sat May 19, 2018 1:59 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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musouka
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Sure, go ahead. I'd be interested in seeing that discussion. |
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Chester McCool
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Here's one of the more infamous ones. https://twitter.com/CensoredGaming_/status/670180252417695744 |
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Utsuro no Hako
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Declaring someone isn't an anime fan because they only enjoy frilly shoujo series is exclusionary gatekeeping. Declaring they aren't an anime fan because they only watch The Simpsons and South Park and think cartoons from Japan are stupid, though, is totally legit.
And there it is. Scary Anita Sarkeesian is behind all this. Criticism of how sex is presented in games is tantamount to demanding sex be banned in games, and nevermind that feminists have no problem with sex in general, just misogynistic portrayals. same old same old. When people like Sarkeesian criticize a game, they are exercising their freedom of expression. If you are actually for free speech, what's the problem?
They're blaming the single organization that is claiming responsibility. What feminist group do you think is behind this? What did they do to get Steam to take this action? Cite your sources. |
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musouka
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I don't see anyone in the responses "gleeful" about the concept of using localization as a way to fix things (or any examples of things he might have "fixed") and "begging" him to do more of it, though. |
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Stampeed Valkyrie
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woo boy a whole lot of tldr going on in the comments section.
1.) Valve should have no say as to any content being offered off of its platform. With this stance regardless of how you spin, manipulate or distort the viewpoints.. it IS Censorship. censorship definition... noun: censorship the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security. 2.) Feminists, vs non feminists... how about MYOFB.. if you don't like the content don't watch it! I personally don't care if you watch this stuff or not.. but I do have issue with people who try to justify the denial of anything that is not blatantly illegal and last time I checked animated oppai are legal in FREE societies... again MYOFB and the world would be full of rainbows and unicorn farts.. or something like that.. lol @ the world we live in. |
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