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Jayhosh
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 Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 10:05 pm
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| AJ (LordNikon) wrote: | | I don't see Ami being a new character or member of the Lupin gang anymore than Rebecca was. Both Rebecca and Ami are more like the damsel in distress that we would see in the movies/OAVs or specials, and frankly I am fine with that. |
I wouldn't really call Ami or Rebecca "damsel in distress" types at all. In fact both have been shown to actually be the savior of Lupin occasionally. But even still, Rebecca stayed around for the entirety of part 4 so that kinda reaffirms my belief that Ami will do the same. I'm also still gunning for Rebecca to make a comeback, if just for a single episode cameo experience. I mean, they already referenced her and a bunch of other characters from part 4 in the first episode of the season.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 3:08 pm
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Episode 6 was quite a bit like the average Part III episode... except better, because Part III was awful. It had a similar tone, but was better constructed. I'm okay with these kinds of episodes now and then. I'd say it's the weakest episode of the series thus far, but that's a high bar.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 3:36 pm
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| penguintruth wrote: | | Episode 6 was quite a bit like the average Part III episode... except better, because Part III was awful. |
Well if we're simply focusing on the the wonky looking art as the writing wasn't any less stupid than what you normally got in most of part 2.
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Jayhosh
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 3:43 pm
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| Quote: | | The art style fits the older 1980s version of the show, but without the weaker animation and other production issues. |
Excuse me? Part 3 had some GREAT animation. I’d say on average it easily looked better than your average part 2 episode. But people think just because they aren’t a fan of the designs or looser feel that it constitutes as “bad.” People need to put more respect on Part 3’s name, it’s a damn solid series. And honestly, the first half is actually way more grounded than half of the episodes from Part 2. It only gets really over the top in the second half. People really over exaggerate how goofy it is. I think that’s mainly because of the EXTREMELY goofy Gold of Babylon being seared into their minds (which is actually a great movie in and of itself if you don’t demand realism and logic be even slightly present in your media).
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 4:31 pm
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When I saw the thumbnail, and hadn't yet read the title, I thought it was from an older part, it looks like a cel Anime.
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uguu
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 12:38 am
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yuna49
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 3:00 pm
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All I can say is I'm glad more new writers signed up for this show. For someone not deeply invested in the franchise, the fact that this stupid and forgettable installment rated an A grade from Rose makes me wonder if we watched the same show. I gave it 1.5 stars and thought I was being generous.
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we love lain
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 3:29 pm
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| yuna49 wrote: | | All I can say is I'm glad more new writers signed up for this show. For someone not deeply invested in the franchise, the fact that this stupid and forgettable installment rated an A grade from Rose makes me wonder if we watched the same show. I gave it 1.5 stars and thought I was being generous. |
How come you find lupin part 5 to be "stupid and forgettable?"
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yuna49
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:32 pm
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I didn't say that at all. I was, like the commentators before me, specifically talking about episode six, an "installment" which I continue to believe was "stupid and forgettable." I enjoyed 1-5 and also the new arc that begins in episode seven,.
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we love lain
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:56 pm
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| yuna49 wrote: | | I didn't say that at all. I was, like the commentators before me, specifically talking about episode six, an "installment" which I continue to believe was "stupid and forgettable." I enjoyed 1-5 and also the new arc that begins in episode seven,. |
Ah okay; the connotation for installment usually implies a broader context so i misconstrued the meaning of your statement
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Jayhosh
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 11:47 pm
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| yuna49 wrote: | | All I can say is I'm glad more new writers signed up for this show. For someone not deeply invested in the franchise, the fact that this stupid and forgettable installment rated an A grade from Rose makes me wonder if we watched the same show. I gave it 1.5 stars and thought I was being generous. |
Clearly you aren’t invested, otherwise you’d know goofy plots like that we’re all over the place in previous series and be able to appreciate that diversity. God forbid we have a little fun and take a break from the uber serious crime thriller stories for a single episode. That’s the problem with a lot of anime fans these days, they can’t handle their cartoons feeling a little, you know, cartoony every now and then. Episode 6 was a great throwback to part 3’s more goofy side and I look forward to seeing even more one-off stories with unique styles and animation like that. Also, you do realize all those extra writers were brought on *specifically* to write said standalone episodes, right? All of the main arcs are still just written by the same one guy, Okouchi.
But for those who just want more of what “episode 1” offered, the latest episode was more than satisfactory. The aesthetic, as mentioned in the review did go for a more shaded and noir style, though I’m not sure how they applied that to part 4 given it was almost always on the bright and colorful side. I really dig how each individual narrative in this series so far is given its own distinct aesthetic to distinguish itself from the others. Definitely hope that keeps up throughout. Each new episode further makes the comments from Zac in the initial preview guide about the backgrounds being “dull” all the more mind blowing to me. This easily has the best backdrops I’ve seen in a modern Lupin series.
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Gina Szanboti
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 12:15 am
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| Jayhosh wrote: | | Clearly you aren’t invested, otherwise you’d know goofy plots like that we’re all over the place in previous series and be able to appreciate that diversity. |
I can appreciate what they're doing, and it doesn't bother me, but I was definitely not a Lupin fan until Part III kicked off the more serious aesthetic. On the whole I actually don't like my anime to be "cartoony," but that doesn't make me a problematic fan.  It also doesn't mean I don't like fun. I'm a huge fan of all the old Jay Ward cartoons (Rocky & Bullwinkle, et al) and they're pretty goofy and cartoony, but they're fun, as well as wickedly satirical. I loved Osomatsu-san but that's about as cartoony as I'm generally happy with for anime. Depends on what they do with it, and old-school Lupin was just never my cuppa. Still isn't. Probably never will be.
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we love lain
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 12:43 pm
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@Jaynosh Yea i have to admit, ZAc's critique on Lupin part 5's art direction made no sense to me. I just see where he was coming from. But yea, I really dug episode 6 in all its irreverent cartoon glory. I really don't get the claim that lupin part 3 had the weakest animation of the series; absolutely ludicrous. I get the aversion to the character designs changes of the main cast but that's about the only visual complainnt i can find myself saying: "yea they weren't what i would call appealing"
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Jayhosh
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:02 pm
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| Gina Szanboti wrote: | I can appreciate what they're doing, and it doesn't bother me, but I was definitely not a Lupin fan until Part III kicked off the more serious aesthetic. On the whole I actually don't like my anime to be "cartoony," but that doesn't make me a problematic fan. It also doesn't mean I don't like fun. I'm a huge fan of all the old Jay Ward cartoons ( Rocky & Bullwinkle, et al) and they're pretty goofy and cartoony, but they're fun, as well as wickedly satirical. I loved Osomatsu-san but that's about as cartoony as I'm generally happy with for anime. Depends on what they do with it, and old-school Lupin was just never my cuppa. Still isn't. Probably never will be. |
Are you sure you’re not referring to another Lupin series there? Cause part 3 is probably the farthest Lupin gets from a “serious aesthetic,” at least in the later episodes. That being said, part 1’s first half is actually pretty serious and hard-boiled. As well as plenty of episode of part 2, so it shouldn’t all be dismissed if you’re not a fan of the cartoonier stuff. And I mean, Osomatsu is WAY more cartoony than Lupin ever was. 
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Jayhosh
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:40 am
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| we love lain wrote: | | Yea i have to admit, ZAc's critique on Lupin part 5's art direction made no sense to me. I just see where he was coming from. But yea, I really dug episode 6 in all its irreverent cartoon glory. I really don't get the claim that lupin part 3 had the weakest animation of the series; absolutely ludicrous. I get the aversion to the character designs changes of the main cast but that's about the only visual complainnt i can find myself saying: "yea they weren't what i would call appealing" |
The new backgrounds certainly have a different tone, so yeah preferences are preferences. But it’s certainly isn’t a downgrade by any means. And regarding part 3’s character designs, honestly I think it’s more the inconsistency of them than their actual designs. At least for me anyway. And no, I don’t mean they go off-model (that’s totally intentional), just that their entire designs go through such radical shifts for seemingly unintentional reasons. Like, I love Fujiko’s design in the first ten or so episodes but after that they inexplicably change it to look completely different and her designs becomes far more angular, which I really wasn’t fan of. Though at least Jigen looks consistently cool throughout imo. Some people aren’t fans of Goemon’s “enhanced” eyebrows but I actually really like his design, lol.
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