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Scalfin



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:28 am Reply with quote
Half of this season seems to be series derived from Devilman (Crybaby). The other half is Cardcaptor Sakura (Clear Card). I've never seen a season this split into two camps, let alone one in which the originating series of each camp revived to lead the charge.

Also, it's fairly interesting that a lot of the "changes" Crybaby is so praised for are from the original manga. Honestly, Crybaby's main distinction is staying much closer to the source material than predecessors.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:52 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, Netflix Night Shift Nurses. Make it a live action for best results.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:32 pm Reply with quote
Isao Takahata in the same sentence as 'Violence Jack'. Hoo boy.
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Northlander



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:46 pm Reply with quote
Chrno2 wrote:
Isao Takahata in the same sentence as 'Violence Jack'. Hoo boy.

I once watched the anime a long long time ago, and pretty much thought it was THE biggest piece of shit I had ever seen (well, at the time anyway, although it's certainly still in the running even today.) And this was back when I was in my beginner "anime actually dares to be violent? Cool!" phase. (My first anime ever was 3x3 Eyes.)

Then out of bile fascination/morbid curiosity, I read some of the manga later, and.... found it pretty decent, actually, never mind being completely different from the anime.

The whole "completely different ballpark" aside when it comes to Takahata and this particular franchise, I think if he'd really make a Violence Jack anime, it'd probably be much closer to the manga. And certainly not a huge pile of manure.
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Zin5ki



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:39 pm Reply with quote
In earnest, I fully expect that Isao Takahata's Violence Jack would easily be more watchable than Pom Poko...
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Chrno2



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:40 pm Reply with quote
Northlander wrote:
Chrno2 wrote:
Isao Takahata in the same sentence as 'Violence Jack'. Hoo boy.

I once watched the anime a long long time ago, and pretty much thought it was THE biggest piece of shit I had ever seen (well, at the time anyway, although it's certainly still in the running even today.) And this was back when I was in my beginner "anime actually dares to be violent? Cool!" phase. (My first anime ever was 3x3 Eyes.)

Then out of bile fascination/morbid curiosity, I read some of the manga later, and.... found it pretty decent, actually, never mind being completely different from the anime.

The whole "completely different ballpark" aside when it comes to Takahata and this particular franchise, I think if he'd really make a Violence Jack anime, it'd probably be much closer to the manga. And certainly not a huge pile of manure.


I've heard quite a bit on 'Violence Jack' but have never watched it. But I'm going to have to grab our copy and watch this nightmare of morbid curiousity. LOL!!
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:30 pm Reply with quote
Northlander wrote:
Chrno2 wrote:
Isao Takahata in the same sentence as 'Violence Jack'. Hoo boy.

I once watched the anime a long long time ago, and pretty much thought it was THE biggest piece of shit I had ever seen (well, at the time anyway, although it's certainly still in the running even today.) And this was back when I was in my beginner "anime actually dares to be violent? Cool!" phase. (My first anime ever was 3x3 Eyes.)

Then out of bile fascination/morbid curiosity, I read some of the manga later, and.... found it pretty decent, actually, never mind being completely different from the anime.

The whole "completely different ballpark" aside when it comes to Takahata and this particular franchise, I think if he'd really make a Violence Jack anime, it'd probably be much closer to the manga. And certainly not a huge pile of manure.


I think even when I was younger, I would not have been able to take this level of swearing very seriously.

If there was an anime equivalent to MST3K, Violence Jack would've been great for it.

Zin5ki wrote:
In earnest, I fully expect that Isao Takahata's Violence Jack would easily be more watchable than Pom Poko...


I read that as "Porn Poko." It'd be right in line with stuff inspired by Devilman Crybaby.
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wolf10



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:40 am Reply with quote
I will never be able to unsee that. This may be the first Vice & Luna punchline that just sticks with me forever. Nicely done.
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Levitz9



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:59 pm Reply with quote
DmonHiro wrote:
Yeah, Netflix Night Shift Nurses. Make it a live action for best results.


Give it an intro by Sayo Yamamoto (after all, she rocked Kakegurui!), and we've got a winner!
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:18 pm Reply with quote
Levitz9 wrote:
DmonHiro wrote:
Yeah, Netflix Night Shift Nurses. Make it a live action for best results.


Give it an intro by Sayo Yamamoto (after all, she rocked Kakegurui!), and we've got a winner!


Just the intro? Why not the whole thing!

Hentai probably isn't the right direction but I would throw a lot of money to see Yamamoto direct a yuri anime.
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uguu



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:07 pm Reply with quote
will you guys ever stop calling every old anime with violence in it 'schlock'

also the implication that skillfully made stuff by legendary creators like devilman, mad bull 34 and violence jack are in the same league as the poop eating nurse porn anime
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TandooriJones



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:31 pm Reply with quote
uguu wrote:
will you guys ever stop calling every old anime with violence in it 'schlock'

also the implication that skillfully made stuff by legendary creators like devilman, mad bull 34 and violence jack are in the same league as the poop eating nurse porn anime


Yeah this is kind of insulting, not to mention ignorant.
I'm shocked there's no dig at Apocalypse Zero or Birth here as long as they were badmouthing things undeservedly. Those shows fall into the same category of "We didn't watch it but we hear it's bad" like Mad Bull 34.
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SantaBla





PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:25 am Reply with quote
It's ANN what do you expect?

If it offends my personal sensibilities then it's schlock!!!! Nevermind the fact that both Devilman and Violence Jack are great influential pieces of work.
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:45 pm Reply with quote
SantaBla wrote:
It's ANN what do you expect?

If it offends my personal sensibilities then it's schlock!!!! Nevermind the fact that both Devilman and Violence Jack are great influential pieces of work.


Sounds like somebody just got offended...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:33 pm Reply with quote
TandooriJones wrote:


Yeah this is kind of insulting, not to mention ignorant.
I'm shocked there's no dig at Apocalypse Zero or Birth here as long as they were badmouthing things undeservedly. Those shows fall into the same category of "We didn't watch it but we hear it's bad" like Mad Bull 34.


What? I love all of that stuff. All of it. Calling Devilman "shlock" isn't an insult, it's the truth - it also happens to be high art that I think belongs in any museum in the world. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive at all. I feel the same way about most of this stuff. You mentioned Birth - that one especially.

I just did a podcast where I spoke with the folks handling the marketing for the original Devilman manga and suggested they court the fashion world and high art crowd with it, doing high-end gallery exhibitions and merchandise. This is where I think Devilman places culturally. I also think it's shlock.

Appreciation of this stuff as art does not have to be accompanied by limitless superlatives.

I just appreciate this stuff in a way differently than you do. I've been in love with anime for 23 years and that entire time I've had guys like you telling me I hate it because I don't just heap praise on it, and I'm kinda done with that.
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