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Heishi
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:01 pm
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Well, that's good to hear.
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Afezeria
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Location: Malaysia, Kuantan.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:19 pm
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Make it easier for me to become a permanent resident in the future. Thanks to the president.
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SaitoHajime101
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:15 pm
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I hope they provide some in-country schooling opportunities if I want to move while still in the process of learning the language. The area I live in Florida doesn't offer classroom Japanese language classes at any of the colleges and I would prefer not to learn through online courses. I work better in classroom settings. If Japan offered English-speaking courses to learn Japanese after moving to the country, it would make things alot easier for me to choose to move now versus when I'm old and grey.
Correct me if I'm wrong on the above though
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Karlz
Joined: 14 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:16 pm
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I really hope the Diet block this like they already did in the past, I understand that I will be cursed by those who actually believe a deeply monocultural society like Japan embracing foreign unskilled immigrants is a good idea, but I just find this awful for Japan in general and people who support this having absolute no clue of the bad aspects of the impact that such measure will make in a country that it's not used to multiculturalism (it's different if we're talking about the US, which was a nation build by immigrants).
I really don't want to see Japan becoming the mess that it's Sweden or Germany now.
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manapear
Joined: 02 May 2014
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:57 pm
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Ahh. . . ya know. Their economy has been in a bad spot for a while, but it doesn't seem like it was really until recently that it sounds like it took most of a shift/hit to the work force side of that. Which is understandable, maybe?
I'm curious about this, and I've been meaning to study Japanese again. . . I'll definitely be doing some research.
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:04 pm
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Japan having more foreigners living and working in their country is always a good thing.
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leafy sea dragon
Joined: 27 Oct 2009
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Location: Another Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:37 pm
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azips wrote: | I really hope the Diet block this like they already did in the past, I understand that I will be cursed by those who actually believe a deeply monocultural society like Japan embracing foreign unskilled immigrants is a good idea, but I just find this awful for Japan in general and people who support this having absolute no clue of the bad aspects of the impact that such measure will make in a country that it's not used to multiculturalism (it's different if we're talking about the US, which was a nation build by immigrants).
I really don't want to see Japan becoming the mess that it's Sweden or Germany now. |
Well, they'll have to eventually learn.
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AJ (LordNikon)
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Location: Kyoto
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:53 pm
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Please, all this means is that the LDP is going to open the doors to abuse more Indonesian maids, and/or letting a few more people from the Philippines work for slave labor/black company nurses in training is all.
I agree with azips on this. For those who actually live in Japan, outside of the rare few of us who are not here working under JET program or teaching English for a small black cram school, the majority of foreigners working here are from any number of small ASEAN nations working ungodly number or hours per week for slave labor wages. I'm sure the LDP will sell this off as trying to get highly educated people from first world nations, but mark my words in a couple years when the all is said and done, the numbers of well educated, highly skilled sought after foreigners working in Japan will not have changed.
This is not the first time the LDP has claimed on loosening immigration requirements. Koizumi has done this a few times as well. Just like the LDP claim to allow more asylum seekers in too as we near the 2020 Olympics too.
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Joined: 07 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:12 pm
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azips wrote: | I really hope the Diet block this like they already did in the past, I understand that I will be cursed by those who actually believe a deeply monocultural society like Japan embracing foreign unskilled immigrants is a good idea, but I just find this awful for Japan in general and people who support this having absolute no clue of the bad aspects of the impact that such measure will make in a country that it's not used to multiculturalism (it's different if we're talking about the US, which was a nation build by immigrants).
I really don't want to see Japan becoming the mess that it's Sweden or Germany now. |
Japan is going to have no choice but to continue liberalizing its restrictions on foreigners working in the country. Demographics is destiny. If you don't have enough of your own people to fill certain positions, you have to bring them in. Sucks for Japan, I guess. They'll have to learn to be a 21st century country instead of one that lives in the past when it was actually possible to be hermetically sealed.
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Surrender Artist
Joined: 01 May 2011
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:14 pm
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This is a good initiative. Despite being associated with reactionary and nationalistic attitudes, a vice of parties like the ironically named Liberal Democratic Party, Shinzō Abe has a pragmatic streak that overrides that. He's promoted 'womenomics', an attempt to increase the extent, acceptance and opportunities for women in commerce, for similar reasons. (The economic participation of women tends to be lower in the 'sick men' of Europe like Italy and Spain than in Germany) A country that sees the ratio of working-age to retired or elderly people fall will stagnate and fail. This is clear in Japan and is also happening in Europe. Strong infusions of immigrants into the United States are key to why it hasn't suffered this fate as severely and have always been its strength. I'm half Pennsylvania Dutch and a quarter Irish. White as I am now, Benjamin Franklin sneered at my father's people and a whole party, the aptly nick-named Know Nothings, congealed, like leftover bacon fat, against my mother's father's people. Nobody'd bat an eye at us now, but America wasn't always so congenial to my progenitors, yet it wouldn't have as far without them.
Unless the Japanese government can somehow force every Japanese woman into marrying, then having three children, bringing new people into Japan is the only way to revivify the country's economy. There will probably be problems as the share of these New Japanese rises, but despite what the moral vanity and amoral bigotry of the old dying Japanese will compel them to think, the problems will not be failures of assimilation by the New Japanese, but failures of acceptance by the old. Like all privileged, favored and pampered peoples, they will assume that they deserve every good thing while blaming others who are different and unfamiliar for anything that goes wrong, because they have no resilience and no have never been held meaningfully accountable. Japan could prefer slow death in uniformity, which is probably appealing to those who are rather near to death themselves and can see no further, but those are not now so intimate with the grim reaper might ultimately not appreciate their nearsighted, angry efforts.
If human nations can do no better than vicious, angry tribes scrabbling mean and low in the dirt, hating anything than demands, or even just recommends, higher causes or principles of them, then they deserve to die there unloved and resented.
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Guile
Joined: 18 Jun 2013
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:33 pm
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azips wrote: | I really don't want to see Japan becoming the mess that it's Sweden or Germany now. |
Germany and Sweden's problem is generally caused by Muslim/Middle Eastern immigrants. I'm not familiar with Japan's immigration demographics outside of other Asian countries and Brazil. Are there interest from the same group of people Sweden and Germany have in being in Japan?
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omoikane
Joined: 03 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:59 pm
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azips wrote: | I really don't want to see Japan becoming the mess that it's Sweden or Germany now. |
Not sure if serious--I'm sure Sweden and Germany are glad they're not the mess that Japan is in.
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relyat08
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:25 am
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Unless they figure out a way to get people to have more babies there, this is pretty much the only option going forward. You can't survive as a mono-cultural country if you don't have enough people to support your own society and economy.
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SWAnimefan
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:18 am
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This might be interesting, Japan is hurting for laborers and there are plenty. Though the question now resides whom the Japanese population will tolerate more? American laborers or Chinese?
SaitoHajime101 wrote: | I hope they provide some in-country schooling opportunities if I want to move while still in the process of learning the language. The area I live in Florida doesn't offer classroom Japanese language classes at any of the colleges and I would prefer not to learn through online courses. I work better in classroom settings. If Japan offered English-speaking courses to learn Japanese after moving to the country, it would make things alot easier for me to choose to move now versus when I'm old and grey.
Correct me if I'm wrong on the above though |
It's not just Florida but most of the schools in the US due to the fact that it's a popular language, unlike Spanish or French. But you can request a self-study, though the proficiency test will be far more difficult than that of a normal class.
azips wrote: | I really don't want to see Japan becoming the mess that it's Sweden or Germany now. |
Depends whom they let in, but it's inevitable the Japanese culture will shift no matter whom they let in. But as I said above, it's all but likely to be either North American or Chinese laborers. They have ancient ties to the Chinese culture and lately seem to be growing closer. And their modern culture and economics is more attuned to the West, where American culture has had quite the influence.
So will the Japanese begin the influx by hiring cheap Chinese laborers? Or will the upcoming trade talks with the US could lead to unemployed American laborers moving to Japan? (Or maybe even Japanese businessmen opening factories like in the 80s?)
Only time will tell.
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Wandering Samurai
Joined: 30 Mar 2014
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:28 am
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"Shortened" wait time depends on your situation. You have to reside ten years in Japan if you're single before you can apply. However you can apply if you've been on a Japanese spouse visa after three years. You also have to make a minimum of 3 million yen a year.
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