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INTEREST: Conan O'Brien Rips Apart Final Fantasy XV: 'Why is This a Game?'

theNightster wrote:

I'm not offended because Final Fantasy has not been all that good since 10-2. but hopefully 15 can at least be better then the god awful 13 trilogy.

Gotta be that guy huh? This is exactly what Tabata was talking about when he referred to Final Fantasy disease. There's nothing wrong with Final Fantasy since [INSERT HERE]. It's the fans that are the problem. They've got FF Disease.

I'm watching this right now, but I gotta say that Final Fantasy has more or less lost its charm to me, at least when it comes to the new offerings. Maybe it's because I was introduced to the series during the 16-bit era, but it seems like once the series hit Final Fantasy X and there after, it just really started to lose its appeal. I know this sounds weird, but maybe it's something to do with the fact that the characters and designs have just become too human-like, realistic, and generic looking. Then again, it's not like I was expecting the series to stay the same until the end of time, or hold the same sort of appeal to me nearly 20 years later after the PS1 era ended. I think Final Fantasy IV, V, and VI will always be the holy triad to me. It doesn't help that I feel like I prefer the Active Time Battle system, as opposed to the current system they've been using since Final Fantasy XII?

I felt that there wasn`t even an ounce of appreciation for the title, many of the titles in the past of "Clueless Gamer" has at least made it look fun to play or funny in a positive sense.

It`s true what some has said, FF is still a JRPG and it doesn`t have simple direct elements like the common popular titles, which isn`t necessarily a bad thing, but it`s enough to confuse someone who doesn`t play those kind of titles and especially someone who doesn`t play games at all.

I think Conan spelled out quite well what the problems with this installment are. We all have been talking about the problems of this game for many months now. The problem is not that it is a JRPG, and that mainstream Americans don't understand it. I think Conan nailed it, and made us laugh about it. Pretty good of him.

I rarely like playing male characters, so those five guys in a car promos, kinda killed it for me. That is just my personal taste. So it is kind of sad for those who are the targeted consumer for this game.

But hey, if you like it spend that money. That way hopefully the next game will be the jackpot.

ChrissyC wrote:

I felt that there wasn`t even an ounce of appreciation for the title, many of the titles in the past of "Clueless Gamer" has at least made it look fun to play or funny in a positive sense. It`s true what some has said, FF is still a JRPG and it doesn`t have simple direct elements like the common popular titles, which isn`t necessarily a bad thing, but it`s enough to confuse someone who doesn`t play those kind of titles and especially someone who doesn`t play games at all.

To be fair, Elijah Wood was PLAYING the game and seemed like he was more familiar with the style of game, and he ALSO seemed kind of confused at times, especially with his disappointment with the "battle" they did. Speaking of which, I am not really a fan of the FF franchise, but even if I was, who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to have some battle that is going to require 72 REAL TIME HOURS to complete?!? That's just nuts if true.

TarsTarkas wrote:

I think Conan spelled out quite well what the problems with this installment are. We all have been talking about the problems of this game for many months now. The problem is not that it is a JRPG, and that mainstream Americans don't understand it. I think Conan nailed it, and made us laugh about it. Pretty good of him. I rarely like playing male characters, so those five guys in a car promos, kinda killed it for me. That is just my personal taste. So it is kind of sad for those who are the targeted consumer for this game. But hey, if you like it spend that money. That way hopefully the next game will be the jackpot.

Guys.... we found out what that problem with ff15 is... it's 5 guys in a car! How would that idea ever work!

ragz wrote:

TarsTarkas wrote: I think Conan spelled out quite well what the problems with this installment are. We all have been talking about the problems of this game for many months now. The problem is not that it is a JRPG, and that mainstream Americans don't understand it. I think Conan nailed it, and made us laugh about it. Pretty good of him. I rarely like playing male characters, so those five guys in a car promos, kinda killed it for me. That is just my personal taste. So it is kind of sad for those who are the targeted consumer for this game. But hey, if you like it spend that money. That way hopefully the next game will be the jackpot. Guys.... we found out what that problem with ff15 is... it's 5 guys in a car! How would that idea ever work!

Not sure if you're being sarcasm but what's wrong with an all-male cast? I don't see anyone bashing JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders just because it has no female character as a protagonist.

ragz was obviously mocking TarsTarkas for his warped reasoning.

Pierrot. wrote:

The amount of people that desperately want FFXV to crash and burn is hilarious.

It really does feel like that sometimes. It is practically the new hype machine. We get one crowd that Thinks it looks cool, and Another that jumps on every opportunity to say it sucks.

JDude, I honestly could have not said this any better. Fell in love with FF2 on SNES back in the early 90's when I was just a kid, FF3(6) is still my number 1 favorite game of all time and then 7-9 on PS1 when I was in middle school, just fills me with nostalgia and I still play those every few years and still like those over any modern game I've played in the last 15 years, minus maybe a handful of titles. Played through 13, nothing special and I will certainly get 15 but I'm not really expecting too much. Eager to try it out, but you are absolutely right and I feel the franchise has just a complete 180. I get it, it's what the majority want, it's almost 2017 and they must keep up with the times but what I wouldn't give for a traditional turned based JRPG on the PS4...maybe one day.

Not sure if you're sarcasm but what's wrong with an all-male cast? I don't see anyone bashing JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders just because it has no female character as a protagonist.

Pierrot. wrote:

Not sure if you're sarcasm but what's wrong with an all-male cast? I don't see anyone bashing JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders just because it has no female character as a protagonist.

It'll be interesting to see how many websites slander the game as sexist for having a male-only cast, and thereby showing they don't know what a fujoshi is. I care even less about what TV comedians who have zero experience with the franchise say. All I'm worried about is it becoming another Star Ocean Integrity and Faithlessness and end up alienating the core fanbase in their attempts to appeal to people who don't play video games. I purposely ignored all the hype surrounding XV so I wouldn't be disappointed if it's the case. If Square Enix wants to sacrifice the franchise in order to chase the AAA Western audience then I'll gladly stick by XIV's side until XVI.

-Stuart Smith

Starbuckets wrote:

ragz was obviously mocking TarsTarkas for his warped reasoning.

I see. So, someone having an opinion that differs from yours makes their reasoning "warped". Good to know.

taishou* wrote:

Story wise, maybe. In terms of gameplay and mechanics X-2 was solid.

You are correct. The battle system was fantastic. But I couldn't make it past the abysmal story, the vapid, annoying Charlie's Angels rip-off charatcers and the TERRIBLE camera.

I can think of another a game I'd love to see him play and potentially fail at.

That was hilarious, even though he was knocking it hard-f*cking-core. He's not a gamer, and has probably never played a JRPG, so I'm not offended.

Conan wouldn't have been kind to any other JRPG you could list.

But I'd agree that most other games get to the point a lot sooner and the open-world mission variety would be lost on Conan.

What I find funny, is that many critics of games these days always talk about the lack of variety, that it's all the same shoot-bang genre and that there's nothing appealing to women or others who would prefer to do other things etc. etc.

But if you were to present that to general audiences other than what gaming is traditionally seen as this is the kind of reaction you'd expect to get.

The mainstream is largely uninterested in the sort of thing gamers actually want where there's unusual variety to bond story-wise with your cast of characters through activities such as this.

They would rather just have side missions that are primarily fetch quests so long as the game's mechanics are at their disposal.

Sad truth there folks, all the appeals to spread the gaming love to the rest of the uninterested and uninvolved is likely going to hit up against these same roadblocks.

Anyway, Conan is not meant to be taken as any serious kind of review about the game's quality. But it does demonstrate how niche a game like FFXV will be in term of appeal to the masses.

And no, it's not like Persona 5 or any other equivalent example is going to fare better with Conan, though arguably other games make make a better first impression out the gates than FFXV's slower opening. Persona 5's first 30 mins would have far more appeal to Conan because f how much more interesting it is, but eventually he's still going to be wondering why you're doing all the other non-combat stuff. And why you're forcing him to go back to high school to study in your video game. And why he has to read all this long uninterrupted text, and there's a talking cat.

Personally this FF is a 50/50, great potential but easily screwed up. Noctis need a royal outfit & battle outfit because in my book he just wearing threads from a thrift shop

Pierrot. wrote:

The amount of people that desperately want FFXV to crash and burn is hilarious.

It really does feel like that sometimes. It is practically the new hype machine. We get one crowd that Thinks it looks cool, and Another that jumps on every opportunity to say it sucks.

Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote:

Starbuckets wrote: ragz was obviously mocking TarsTarkas for his warped reasoning. I see. So, someone having an opinion that differs from yours makes their reasoning "warped". Good to know.

Of course not, but I'm certainly not gonna apologize for thinking that writing off a game just because of the gender of the main cast is quite petty.