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penguintruth
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Those Lupin III/Detective Conan crossovers never should have happened to begin with. It was a horrible, lazy move by TMS. More of the de-balling Lupin went through in those last few TV specials. It's a good thing he's got his groove back.
Unless it can be established that both franchises take place in the same universe, or that they've crossed into a parallel one, I don't generally like crossovers. They generally have to water down one or more of the parties in the crossover or do backflips to make it seem natural they take place in the same world. |
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Heishi
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While I can't comment on the whole Toriko thing and the crossover associated with it, I will say this.
We should have more anime crossovers. They make things even more epic and interesting. Especially those anime crossover games. |
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jr240483
Posts: 4426 Location: New York City,New York,USA |
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i wouldnt necessarily dismiss the chance that toriko can redeem itself with an anime version. after all, if hunter x hunter and of all thing berserk can get anime remakes where their completely faithful to their manga counterparts, its a possibility that toriko might if the demand is really high and there is a company willing to take the risk. as for the crossovers,its more or less an offshoot since we all know their NEVER gonna get licensed in the US. if it was that easy, then the Fairy Tail X Rave Master crossovers would have been licensed already. hell, a lot of the DBZ crossovers would have been dubbed since funi is hell bent on milking the franchise as much as possible. |
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leafy sea dragon
Posts: 7163 Location: Another Kingdom |
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As I was reading the article, I was thinking of American comic book crossovers (before anyone tells me it's US-specific, I've seen Latin American comic books cross over too) and how they became so common that publishers just decided upon a shared universe with as many of them as possible, and then Marvel and DC would often cross over, and sometimes they'd even cross over with Image or a smaller publisher (like how Batman and Joker wound up in Wildstorm's Authority). The only major publishers that mostly keep to themselves are Archie and IDW, and even then, IDW has started combining their franchises into a shared universe (the Hasbro Cinematic Universe), albeit in a separate universe made specifically for massive crossovers. (They're not combining My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic with anything, at least.) And, of course, there's Archie Meets the Punisher, a crossover between Archie Comics and Image Comics. And I figured the reason behind all these crossovers is twofold. The first is, of course, the diminished control comic book creators have in the west compared to those in Japan. But the second is that the western comic book market, and its audience, have become accustomed to crossovers and shared universes, so both the work culture and fan culture have adjusted to make crossovers as easy as possible. The manga and anime businesses don't do crossovers much, so their infrastructure doesn't allow them to happen so easily.
I would disagree. Something that's successful cannot possibly be objectionably terrible. Whatever it is, it has to have at least one good thing about it (even if that thing is its charm in its low quality, like Plan 9 from Outer Space, or the unusual behind-the-scenes production, like Sonichu). Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many people who would like it. If something is just plain terrible, revolting, and so unwatchable/unplayable/unlistenable that most people would agree it's that bad, it'll be rejected by the mainstream. I would, however, say the inverse is very plausible, for something of high quality to be unsuccessful. The easiest, and I daresay the most common way this can happen is a lack of publicity (like The Iron Giant), though it can also be ahead of its own time (like Blade Runner) or marketed to the wrong audience (like Oldsmobiles of the late 80's).
My favorite crossovers are the ones done for the silliness, the ones so mismatched and out of place that the creators know it makes no sense and revel in it, like Poker Night at the Inventory or Super Smash Bros. (Or Konami Track and Field!) PlayStation All-Stars BattleRoyale not only never bothers to try to look like the same world, they go the opposite direction. Their stages pair the most clashing franchises together, like the God of War monsters getting attacked and overrun by the Patapon armies. |
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NJ_
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Actually it still is, both of them. http://www.crunchyroll.com/toriko/episode-1-arrival-on-the-gourmet-island-the-gourmet-hunter-toriko-appears-651515 http://www.crunchyroll.com/one-piece/episode-492-the-strongest-tag-team-luffy-and-torikos-hard-struggle-658815 http://www.crunchyroll.com/toriko/episode-51-the-reunion-of-toriko-and-luffy-find-the-seafood-fruit-666089 http://www.crunchyroll.com/one-piece/episode-542-a-team-is-formed-save-chopper-657971 The only one Crunchyroll didn't get was episode 99/590, the special with DBZ and that one is a mystery in itself because unlike the first two, it never got a DVD release in Japan which is a bit of a shame because even with it's issues, it had some awesome fight animation in there. |
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CR85747
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Moral rights is an internationally recognized standard in Japan and other civil law countries, but doesn't really exist for popular media in the United States, so that puts American creators to a greater disadvantage then, say, European creators. |
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Paiprince
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Yeah, as if we need more inconsequential filler to get shoehorned in the airwaves...at least it's a step up from recap episodes. I feel like crossovers work better in manga format for the fact that it doesn't suck up the already precious airtime anime needs to convey the plot. It's also less jarring to see how a studio that is tasked to to do the majority of the animation in the crossover ep to work around the other, especially if that studio has a trademark style. I'd be a bit weirded out watching Nisekyuu!!! on TV. The crossover thing works best if it's kept within the same creator and studio, in my opinion. |
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Kadmos1
Posts: 13591 Location: In Phoenix but has an 85308 ZIP |
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From a legal standpoint, excluding trademark issues, it would be a good idea for an anime cross-over to feature public domain characters. However, often the more obscure public domain characters might not be as a marketable as the still copyrighted popular characters.
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CyberLance
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I personally really love the Toriko anime and i want to own the entire series so im very sad that Funimation stopped releasing DVDs for the show.
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BadNewsBlues
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And only took some 40 some odd years to do it. |
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A Man named RJ
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1: why do people insist on making a discussion about the "big 3" in regards to japan's industry? there is no "big 3" in japan. 2: Graphic violence shouldnt be the only thing to carry a series. there are several shows that arent nearly as graphic and still work wonders around a lot of graphic anime. 3: MADHOUSE did nothing remotely close to making anything "darker" than the manga. What is "darker" more graphic? the manga for HxH has organs sliding out and bones coming out of dismembered parts.
this is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums. Toei is a company that prides itself nowadays on children's telivision and cinema they rarely deviate unless you want something like Expelled from Paradise. Why do people fail to realize that most of the censorship from them is due to Timeslot and network guidelines? World Trigger worked just as well without all the blood of fake bodies. You wouldnt even know it was censored unless you looked at the manga. And it still kept a very huge interest curve, as WT is popular as all hell and only ended because it wasnt created to go on for much longer than 50 episodes. |
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