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Australian JRPG Gamer
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:29 pm
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It's a bit different from the game but I am not disappointed and enjoying this series.
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chaccide
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:20 pm
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kpk wrote: | Friendship, brotherhood... yeah, I don't think that what that is. According to TV Tropes both the VA, creators of the game and a novel all confirm Sorey and Mikleo are in love with each other. |
That's not really true though. I don't know about the VAs, but the novel only had a comedy skit that would imply it if you take it as serious -- except it's a bath comedy skit and clearly not serious. There are two creator comments in question. One is a quote from Baba from an interview that everyone is translating to support their own agenda in this. What he says is not clear. He basically says Sorey is irreplaceable to Mikleo, which could mean anything. The other quote actually has been produced and is by the creators: "While there are no intended romantic bonds, the strongest bond would be that of Sorey and Mikleo's friendship."
A further quote from a scriptwriter indicates that "We want Sorey to be a character who grew up pure, chasing dreams of history and find. If we put a prurient man-woman relationship in there, it might just upset the direction we want to go with him."
To me that seems to imply these characters are not to care about these sorts of relationships, either because they're too young or asexual/aromantic. But who knows? I don't speak Japanese, and most people translating this aren't speaking it like natives (enough to know what's really being said).
So basically, people should just interpret this any way they want, because nothing definitive has been said (i.e. don't use TV Tropes as a source for facts).
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Dessa
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:58 pm
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Something that I feel should be corrected for the review, as well as being something I'm rather upset that the anime hasn't explained, is the relationship between Bartlow and Alisha.
Alisha is the daughter of the king and a woman of low social status, which puts her last-in-line for the throne, behind numerous others (we never learn of any others, but presumably she has a number of half-siblings). Bartlow, on the other hand, is Chancellor, and the leader of the council. We don't learn much about how the government itself is set up, but it seems to be a dual-house system, with the monarchy and the council holding fairly equal sway. Which is why Bartlow hates Alisha so much, because she can sway at least the people, making it harder for him (and, by extension, the council) to control everything.
It's not so much of a "political rival" in the sense that we'd recognize, it's more that she has power among the people that he can't control.
Something that I brought up in the series thread, and I'll mention here, is Mikleo and Sorey's parting. In the anime, Mikleo leaves in the middle of the night, pointed in a direction by Lailah, and Sorey is (fairly) okay with this. In the game, Mikleo and Sorey have an argument over Mikleo's role, leading to Mikleo leaving, and Sorey is upset and goes after him. The reason I bring this up is two-fold. One, I like that Lailah pointed Mikleo to the ruins, instead of him seemingly randomly heading there (my headcanon now says that the scene between them was something we didn't see in the game). Two, I'm holding out my opinion on which version I prefer overall until we see the conclusion, because I love the character develop the game's events led to. Finally, though, is that the episode preview referenced the game's version of the events instead of the anime's!
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One-Eye
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:26 am
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Dessa wrote: | Alisha is the daughter of the king and a woman of low social status, which puts her last-in-line for the throne, behind numerous others (we never learn of any others, but presumably she has a number of half-siblings). Bartlow, on the other hand, is Chancellor, and the leader of the council. We don't learn much about how the government itself is set up, but it seems to be a dual-house system, with the monarchy and the council holding fairly equal sway. Which is why Bartlow hates Alisha so much, because she can sway at least the people, making it harder for him (and, by extension, the council) to control everything. |
Ok, that makes a little more sense to me. I was just confused how a crony of Bartlow could act that way towards a Princess. Also she is basically being dismissed by Bartlow (which is an insult) thru one of his surrogates (double insult). If Bartlow doesn't like her because of her relationship with the citizens and maybe because she is not fully of noble blood (possibly sees her as illegitimate?), plus the council is on equal footing with the King then that explains why he can get away with being rude and obstructionist with Alisha. Your explanation helps put things into a little more perspective.
Hey, if Alisha is last princess on the totem pole then that King really gets around then?
I did feel that this episode was too leisurely as well and I didn't enjoy the abrupt return to our regularly scheduled programing. On the positive side I am seriously enjoying the scenery porn. The shot from above with Mikleo in the forest with all the ground foliage and the ruins at the end. Ate that stuff up.
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Merida
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:23 am
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I was getting the feeling that the anime expected me to have previous knowledge of those new characters' history and their relationships. It wasn't quite as jarring as the sudden switch to a completely new group of characters earlier, but still a bit frustrating. If the intention behind this was making me want to play the game(s), it was kind of successful, though...
It would have been nice to see a bit more of Mikleo's journey, but i'm also looking forward to seeing him and Sorey reunited again.
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Amuris
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:20 pm
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Merida wrote: | I was getting the feeling that the anime expected me to have previous knowledge of those new characters' history and their relationships. It wasn't quite as jarring as the sudden switch to a completely new group of characters earlier, but still a bit frustrating. If the intention behind this was making me want to play the game(s), it was kind of successful, though... ![Wink](/bbs/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) . |
The details are more in Berseria than Zestiria. It would have been nice if the Berseria episodes got to the point were they meet before this, but it would also work if they just show a bit more at this point. As is, all you had to go on for the anime is Eizen and Zaveid in the Berseria opening.
on a side note: loved the three versions of Zaveid's theme, even if they were too short.
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belvadeer
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:05 pm
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Well to clarify a couple things, Mikleo's weapon is a staff, not a spear (Alisha's the spear user here). Second, Alisha and the knights are not at the village yet; a hellion took out the bridge prior. The timing of this episode is in line with the game since you need Edna's earth power to create a new bridge and she joins just after this dilemma comes up in the story.
As far as key differences go, the anime is doing the "Mikleo acquires new power" segment differently from the game since Sorey, Alisha and Lailah went to the ruins first and Mikleo followed them, acquiring the bow just when the trio ran into a spot of trouble with some flame-proof insect enemies (I guess if it had been done this way, it would have been a wasted filler episode so they cut it down to Mikleo doing it on his own in bite-sized scenes). Also, the ruins they went to weren't submerged underwater, they were subterranean. The Seraph bow was also in the entrance chamber, not deeper inside. Minor stuff really.
All this episode really does is make me even more curious about what caused Eizen to lose it and turn dragon (Tales of Zestiria offers no real explanation even after you beat him as an optional super boss). I've been watching playthroughs of the Japanese version of Berseria on YouTube, but I understand only roughly 40% of what's being said and done by the party before and after boss fights. So far nothing has presented itself as a possible cause. The guy is cool under pressure and nothing really seems to get to him, so it'll be fascinating to find out what made it happen.
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Princess_Irene
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:32 pm
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belvadeer wrote: | Well to clarify a couple things, Mikleo's weapon is a staff, not a spear (Alisha's the spear user here). |
It doesn't have a blade on the end? That's my mistake then - I could've sworn there was one. I was thinking of Alisha as more of a halberd user, but clearly I got things mixed up.
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:15 pm
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That was a good episode. Eizen is much scarier in the anime.
I haven't spoiled Berseria for myself yet as I only know English so I don't know the full story but I am wondering if we will see Velvet again if they ever go back to the Spiritcrest.
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Generations
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:31 pm
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To expand a bit more on the differences discussed earlier, Sorey and friends originally went to Rayfalke to enlist an earth seraph's powers to repair the bridge.
Not sure if they're going to keep it, but the one who destroyed the bridge was a seraph who eventually became Ladylake's Lord of the Land after finding a non-corrupt priest to pray for their blessing.
I hope they keep the next bit, because repairing the bridge leads to one of my favourite scenes in the game -- with a minor but player-choice outcome at that.
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switchgear1131
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:22 pm
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Finally best girl Edna shows up. I was hoping for the fight with Zaveid on the Rayfalke Spiritcrest So far I don't mind the different direction the anime is taking from the game. The only thing I am sad about is that they won't finish the game's plot in the season, or even really get into the main plot of it with the number of episodes left. I hope they give it another season eventually, but with the new game coming out if they do something they might shift focus to that one instead.
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Dessa
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:48 pm
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You do know that this is a 2-cour series, right? It's just being split.
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switchgear1131
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:52 pm
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Dessa wrote: | You do know that this is a 2-cour series, right? It's just being split. |
You know I kept thinking it was going to be, but everything kept saying 12 episodes when I went to look them up. That is better news, but still at this pace unless they start cutting things it won't finish the game's plot.
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belvadeer
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:00 pm
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Princess_Irene wrote: | It doesn't have a blade on the end? That's my mistake then - I could've sworn there was one. I was thinking of Alisha as more of a halberd user, but clearly I got things mixed up. |
Nah, it's just an ornate staff. I can see where you might think it looks like a spear though since his default staff type has a flat head that could pass for a spear tip at different angles.
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Generations
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:41 pm
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Even if we get another season, at this pacing I don' t know how far in the plot the will still be. Right now, we're basically maybe 10 hours in, and even then I'm being generous.
I AM glad for aĺl the Go Shiina tracks playing in the show though. Go Shiina only composed 13 tracks in the game (16 if you count the God Eater tracks) and they are pretty much the only good tracks in the game.I hope we at least get to 'Rising Up' next season.
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