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faboo95
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 Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:23 am
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| Silver4000 wrote: | | I don't see the reason for all this talk in the comments. Yes it is stupid when female characters are censored for the west, when it's something so minor. But this guy here doesn't has anything wrong, I mean, the place is based on Hawaii, it's hot over there, so he hangs out shirtless... |
That's kind of the point; there's been several recent instances of censorship over minor things.
I don't think anyone here or in general have any issues with him being topless. Some just like to point out the double standard that when a female character shows off skin it's easily labelled as oversexualized, but it's totally ok when it's a male.
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Levitz9
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:52 am
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So much fun to see the trend that started with Gen III's Professor Birch continue.
I have to say, though: lots of salt in this thread. Apparently, people shouldn't complain about T&A if it's women because that stuff is just how it works. Hey, if it's good for the gander, it's good for the goose.
Not so much fun when the sexualized gaze is on you, is it?
Also: the arguments over "censorship" in gaming never cease to be hysterical. Shine on, you crazy, crazy diamonds.
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Aura Ichadora
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:55 am
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I didn't even know that people were going that crazy over the new professor, but then again I'm not following anyone obsessing over these things on my social media platforms. Guess I'm not too surprised though. 
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Ambimunch
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:23 pm
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People are crazy.. clearly they should be obsessing over that tsundere assistant bae. Waifu material right there.
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Jellooo
Joined: 14 Mar 2016
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:40 pm
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| Silver4000 wrote: | I don't see the reason for all this talk in the comments. Yes it is stupid when female characters are censored for the west, when it's something so minor. But this guy here doesn't has anything wrong, I mean, the place is based on Hawaii, it's hot over there, so he hangs out shirtless...
I'm not bothered about that, actually, I'm indifferent. Because I look at that as a normal thing. Same thing applies to the female characters.
| Animechic420 wrote: | | Wow, the first professor to be married, right? |
Nah, there have been others that were married.
iirc, Prof. Elm was married and had a kid.
Prof Brich was also married I believe, with Ruby/Sapphire being his son/daughter (depending on which character you choose).
Hell, even Oak had Green has his grandson, so he was in some sort of relationship x)
Can't say nothing about the others, I don't even remember if the professor of the 4th generation is male or female, and I haven't played the others. |
Regardless, people see half naked males in television/anime all the time or even outside in the real world. There's no serious need to cry out double standard when this has been a norm in society before all of us were born.
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:30 pm
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| Ambimunch wrote: | | People are crazy.. clearly they should be obsessing over that tsundere assistant bae. Waifu material right there. |
Tsundere bookish ojousama assistant 2gud4me.
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Guile
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:10 pm
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| xifeng.hu wrote: | |
I actually think it's cool that he's named after an actual Hawaiian tree. Anyways isn't Kotaku like the Fox News of gaming news?
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I am not familiar with Fox News, but Kotaku is very sensationalist and dishonest with it's reporting. In this case it seems like it's trying to manufacture a narrative of this character being massively popular when he is not. If reporting fan art is considered news they should have reported on Lillie since she has way more fan art than Kukui. More than likely it was only posted so the author had an excuse to post porn as part of their job. Although my major problem is Kotaku regularly talks about sexualization being bad and gamers are scum for liking attractive female characters, and yet here is an article about oogling porn. Extreme hypocrisy...
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Rivailloli
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:34 pm
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| redranger wrote: | | Now if this were a female, all the stupid feminists and stupid Shonen Jump Weeklies would be calling for Nintendo's head. But "objectifying" men is okay. |
I'm failing to see how a guy being shirtless, which is widely accepted by society as not sexual, is "objectifying" him.
Also, is everyone in this thread forgetting that Skyla was a thing and literally no one complained about her booty shorts and crop top? She is wearing clothes that are more likely to be regarded as innaprpriate and sexual. Also no one gave a crap about Elesa's outfit in Black 2. So no, they would not pull the same crap because there is a difference between sexualization and objectification.
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Stuart Smith
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:09 pm
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| Rivailloli wrote: | | I'm failing to see how a guy being shirtless, which is widely accepted by society as not sexual, is "objectifying" him. |
Objectification and being accepted by society are not mutually exclusive. If the girlish screams when a hot guy takes off his shirt in a movie, or all the covers to romance novels is any indication, I would say a guy showing off his abs is definitely seen as alluring.
-Stuart Smith
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Rivailloli
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:22 pm
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| Stuart Smith wrote: |
| Rivailloli wrote: | | I'm failing to see how a guy being shirtless, which is widely accepted by society as not sexual, is "objectifying" him. |
Objectification and being accepted by society are not mutually exclusive. If the girlish screams when a hot guy takes off his shirt in a movie, or all the covers to romance novels is any indication, I would say a guy showing off his abs is definitely seen as alluring.
-Stuart Smith |
Women finding a guy attractive isn't objectification. There is more to it than just that. Unless this guy is treated as prop, which he won't be because he's the Professor so he'll get a personality/motive/talking points/agency and etc., he is not being objectified by the game.
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dark13
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:29 pm
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| Rivailloli wrote: |
| redranger wrote: | | Now if this were a female, all the stupid feminists and stupid Shonen Jump Weeklies would be calling for Nintendo's head. But "objectifying" men is okay. |
Also, is everyone in this thread forgetting that Skyla was a thing and literally no one complained about her booty shorts and crop top? She is wearing clothes that are more likely to be regarded as innaprpriate and sexual. Also no one gave a crap about Elesa's outfit in Black 2. So no, they would not pull the same crap because there is a difference between sexualization and objectification. |
Okay you make a good point there but wasn't Gen 5 out before the whole cry of people who care about social justice or was it after that ?
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CheezcakeMe
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:49 pm
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Jeebus it's Free all over again...
Entertainment with shirtless men?!?!? BURN IT AT THE STAKE! Fanservice geared towards women? SHIRTLESS MEN ARE DESTROYING THE INDUSTRY!
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Stuart Smith
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:11 pm
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| dark13 wrote: | | Okay you make a good point there but wasn't Gen 5 out before the whole cry of Shonen Jump Weeklies or was it after that ? |
The Pocket Monsters games have been censored plenty of times in America in the past. Nintendo was the original game censorship company after all. Skirts were made longer, bare arms were covered up, gay and transgender characters removed, sexual relationships with Pokemon were removed, character were race lifted. Gen 5 was no different in being censored in the west. Gay Hiker, Aloe, and Trap Kindergarten Teacher comes to mind as being the more popular ones.
-Stuart Smith
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leafy sea dragon
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| AnimeLordLuis wrote: | | I'm not liking this Kukui character at all but not because he has his shirt off and is showing off his abs for all the world to see no it's because he doesn't even look like a professor of any sort he looks more like the kind of guy that kicked the real professors butt and then stole his lab coat seriously he just looks more like a professional surfer then an expert on Pokémon. |
A professor can look like anything. A professor can also have any hobbies they want (which goes a long way towards them potentially looking like any sort of person).
| Stuart Smith wrote: | | I take it you're not a Pokemon fan, given the shear amount of incest smut of Kudari and Nobori there is and how it dominates doujinshi conventions. Not that the whole 'drop in the ocean' argument is a strong one to begin with.
-Stuart Smith |
Who were they again? I'm guessing Ingo and Emmet?
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Stuart Smith
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:57 am
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| leafy sea dragon wrote: | |
Who were they again? I'm guessing Ingo and Emmet? |
The Subway Masters in Black and White. They are pretty much the most popular characters in the Pokemon 'adult community'.
-Stuart Smith
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