Forum - View topicThe Best and Worst of the Season So Far: Week of May 20-26
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Yogshi
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My incredulity at series ranking for Kabenari being a damn near straight line continues to rise with every week.
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Gina Szanboti
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I don't get how it's a straight line #1 in the cumulative when it's only topped the weekly twice. I've given up trying to understand these.
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Dan42
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It "only" topped the weekly twice, but one of these times was the all-important first episode, which has a lot of votes due to the Preview Guide, and this weighs heavy in the cumulative ranking. Not to mention, no other series topped the weekly more than once. |
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meiam
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Hehe Kiznaire apparently know how to game the system, have a terrible episode so that only the most hardcore fan stay and return to normal to top average score.
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Angel M Cazares
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I don't appreciate that the article's text in the homepage makes a big deal on Kabaneri going down and Kiznaiver going up in the weekly ranking. That ranking is going to be very volatile by nature. ANN: I don't need click baiting to check this column out.
At the end of the day Kabaneri retains its top spot and Kiznaiver only went up 2 spots in the cumulative ranking, which to me is the ranking that truly matters. |
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zrnzle500
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Kabaneri is still on top because its competitors keep switching. The number 2 in cumulative, Jojo, is in its third week of decline in the weeklies. Re:zero, the third, declined slightly as well. Fourth, Ushio and Tora have declined in the weeklies the past two weeks but has gone up in the cumulative, though from a lower base than the previously mentioned titles. Fifth, Flying Witch has just recovered from a decline since the beginning. Kiznaiver, this weeks first in the weeklies, has never gone above 12th in the cumulative. Assassination Classroom, a contender for first previously, just recovered from a steep drop last week, which is still being felt in its cumulative. Tanaka-kun is gaining, but is held back by its low base of 17th. And if you look at the raw scores for the top three in the weeklies, which were at 4.5, 4.6, and 4.5 and compare it to the relevant Kabaneri episode, which was 4.1, they didn't lead by a huge amount.
TL;DR version: No show has beat Kabaneri and the rest long enough by enough stars to knock Kabaneri out of its top spot, after its very well rated first few episodes (even the last one wasn't terribly rated either). Reminds me of something that happened in American presidential politics this year, though at least the frontrunner here has some merit, though neither are aimed at the thinking man (or woman). |
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Muffum
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And I feel almost the exact opposite re:the cumulative ranking, tbh. I feel the rankings of individual episodes are more indicative of ultimate opinion most of the time, while cumulative is just an aggregate of those episodic rankings. I think that just taking the average of a series's episodic rankings and applying that as its overall rank is kind of faulty as it is, and that especially applies when the series hasn't actually finished. (I do realize that the cumulative rankings aren't strictly an average of the episodic, but I feel the general idea's the same.) |
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rinkwolf10
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I called it last time, Re:Zero is going up in accumulative ranking this week and it did. It was obvious because the rating for this week was going to cover a highly anticipated episode for the series, so it made sense. Now, lets see if it can make it higher up in the rankings from now on. Here is to hoping that that is the case. The show has been on a constant rise in the accumulative ranking, it came from 10th place to now 3rd, it really deserved it.
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zrnzle500
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To play devil's advocate, do you think most users think that Kiznaiver is the best show this season now? The show as a whole not just the episode. Even people who thought it was the best episode of the week probably wouldn't say that about the show as a whole. And to take it further, if we use the weeklies to answer the question "what is the best show of the season, according to ANN users", you'll come up with "I have no idea", as only one show has made number 1 in the weeklies twice, and that one is currently 8th. And actually it's more muddled than that, as seven different shows have made number 1 in the weeklies. And this is why the cumulative is useful, because as previously shown (and really just look at the chart), there is a lot of noise in the weeklies. The cumulative smooths it out so we can see the underlying trends. Is it a perfect representation of user opinion? No. But it is about as reasonable an approximation as we can get. I could get into some ideas why one might be inclined to believe the weeklies are a better approximation (long story short biases towards the status quo and the present) but I don't want this to be too long |
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Muffum
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I was probably unclear in my reply, so sorry there, but I didn't mean to say that the weeklies were more indicative of the show's perceived overall quality than the cumulative. I more meant to say that weekly rankings fulfill their purpose (showing the rankings of specific episodes in the space of a week) better than the cumulatives fulfill theirs (showing the overall rankings and opinions of the shows in a season thus far). Frankly, I don't think there really is a good way to gauge overall opinions of every show, short of just flat-out making a poll asking about it. Even that would have its flaws, since I've often seen people complain about other polls on ANN not being visible enough or being available for too short a timeframe. In addition to that, the nature of asking flat-out could affect the votes in favor of shows that just naturally have a large audience. So I guess I'm not really proposing an alternative to the cumulative rankings, which probably makes my point seem a little half-assed. It's just kind of musing on why I think it's not that useful overall. |
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zrnzle500
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There is merit to your arguments, as opinion of a show can drastically change with one episode, even of prior episodes previously thought better of, as with last season's ERASED (though the cumulative did actually catch that in that case, on account of the magnitude and length of the drop after the reveal of the killer). I think there would be merit to a more visible and advertised season end poll, though that isn't perfect either. Ultimately though, I actually find the cumulative to be fairly representative of opinion of the series as a whole actually. While perhaps in not precisely the same order as I would put it, I don't see any glaring misplacements like last season prior to the spam fix. And I actually haven't heard much in the way of similar complaints from others, aside from Kabaneri's immovable hold on first, which I and others have tried to explain. Though, reading those comments, there is never really any convincing alternative presented that should be number 1, which I think explains a lot. While Kabaneri doesn't feel like the unquestionable best show of the season, there isn't really any one show that jumps out as definitely better among most users. If you look at the comments of the previous season's segments, you'll see a lot more complaints about misplacements prior to the spam fix. |
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Yogshi
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Thanks Muffum and Zrnzle, for an interesting debate regarding the chart, it makes more sense now.
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crx07
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That Kabaneri debate. I predict Kabaneri will go down on its cumulative next two weeks (or even next week) if it cannot beat Re:Zero, Jojo and Ushio and Tora next episodes even once. Dropping 3 spots will be not shocking.
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+ 光
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Disclaimer: My use of 'good' and 'great' takes into account that it is merely based on votes.
I like that seven different shows have each had a 'best of the week' episode. It feels like they all have a lot of potential. Now I know there are people who say they'd rather have one great show instead of 10 good shows, but in this case I'd like to think that all the shows that have topped so far are not just 'good', but by being number 1, have proven that they can be 'great'. I'd like to return to this idea when the season have finished, to see if these shows' 'best of the week' spots were hoaxes, and if there really was just 'good' shows with no outstanding 'great' show. |
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crx07
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Also, I'll not be shocked if Re:Zero overtakes JoJo next two weeks. JoJo better improve.
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