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HeeroTX
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:18 am
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | A nitpick here: Saitama never goes by the name "One-Punch Man." The title of this anime is not his hero name; it's a description of him. Saitama is consistently referred to as "Saitama" by everyone. |
He is SUPPOSED to go by "Caped Baldy" But as more and more people come to respect/befriend him, yeah they mostly call him Saitama. (except Genos, who calls him "Master")
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:48 am
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Ali07 wrote: |
What I didn't really like was that...there was no other struggle. At least, it did seem like Saitama realised that there was something missing, but I never felt like he ever delved deep enough to start looking as to what that is and why he has reached the point he has in his life. |
He knew what was missing. Episode 1 clearly showed that. Saitama thought being a hero would be exciting. But since he can wipe out any villain in one punch, everything is anti-climatic. His blood is not pumping in fear or excitement. There are no endorphins flooding through his system rewarding him for his actions and on top of that he gets no feedback or recognition for his actions.
So while he is practically saving the world on a regular basis, no one cares. Sort of like a kid with a new toy. The excitement is there in the beginning, but after awhile the toy just sinks slowly to the bottom of the toy box.
I just think many want the flawed hero growth stereotype, instead of seeing a well adjusted adult dealing with ennui.
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Stiles
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:41 pm
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TarsTarkas wrote: | I just think many want the flawed hero growth stereotype, instead of seeing a well adjusted adult dealing with ennui. |
That would be far more interesting than a character who doesn't have flaws and will never have to struggle to overcome obstacles.
Being bored about having god-like power isn't new or even all that interesting, so I don't care if it's 'supposed' to a dramatic irony of adulthood. You're basically saying OPM is an adult slice-of-life with a completely overblown and suspiciously unnecessary shonen-action-superhero slant to it.
And that's the problem: The franchise seems to want to be both and doesn't have the narrative necessary to do justice to either. Saitama is as hollow as the justification for his god-like power.
I don't mean to offend or tout my opinion as fact, that's just my interpretation of the material. Just can't take that character or show seriously, no matter what it's labeled as. Slice of life, action/adventure, comedy, whatever it is.
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bleachj0j
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:10 pm
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Stiles wrote: |
TarsTarkas wrote: | I just think many want the flawed hero growth stereotype, instead of seeing a well adjusted adult dealing with ennui. |
That would be far more interesting than a character who doesn't have flaws and will never have to struggle to overcome obstacles.
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Do personal obstacles not count? The guy started off wanting to become a superhero to give himself more of a purpose. Now he's bored and kind of sleepwalking through life most of time. He even seems disappointed with the Hero Association not being what he though it would be. And how does Saitama not have flaws? He's lazy, sometimes selfish, emotionless. I'm not getting the the no flaws thing. I think there is a lot more there than people give credit.
I don't know, maybe that is me speaking with a lot of the future stuff in front of me and seeing things the people who lukewarm didn't. But I do think there is plenty to glean from the show as is.
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Jayhosh
Joined: 24 May 2013
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:49 pm
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leafy sea dragon wrote: |
Jayhosh wrote: | And even though I can understand people not being satisfied with him defeating (most) enemies with only one punch, I think there's much more weight to it than that. He may not struggle much at this point in his life in terms of physicality, but on the emotional side of his character he is very interesting. |
Hmm, I never even thought of this before: One-Punch Man is not a "man vs. man" story, but a "man vs. self" story. That makes a lot of sense, actually, and I might use that to respond to people asking how fun a show can be if the main character defeats everyone with only one punch. The appeal is not if Saitama can win (do you have any doubt that the protagonist will permanently perish in any anime?), but that Saitama is emotionally disturbed and somewhat conflicted, and that's a problem that cannot be solved by punching. Rather, he needs the help of people like Genos and Licenseless Rider to figure himself out. |
Yes, exactly! That's how I describe it to people. I mean, a common complaint is that the viewer knows that the main character will supposedly never lose a fight, yet do we ever REALLY expect protagonists in other action anime to actually lose a battle or even die? The vast majority of these stories give the main characters what some would call "plot armor," but I don't see that as an issue at all. You don't see tons of people complaining that none of the members of the main cast of Star Wars never died, do you. Now, I understand that characters also need to experience struggle to be likable, but that's the thing. Saitama DOES face a lot of personal struggles. I guess the argument that the fights are one sided (if you actually watch the show for that) is reasonable, but I don't subscribe under that myself.
I do think that a lot of people who criticised the show would be surprised at just how many of those initial "flaws" the series addresses. Overall it gets much better at balancing it's humor and seriousness I'd say. The manga and webcomic are definitely recommended by me! As someone who really doesn't read all that much manga traditionally.
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ryanvamp
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:22 pm
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Best review I've seen of this series. Good job.
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Ali07
Joined: 01 Jun 2014
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:32 am
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TarsTarkas wrote: |
Ali07 wrote: |
What I didn't really like was that...there was no other struggle. At least, it did seem like Saitama realised that there was something missing, but I never felt like he ever delved deep enough to start looking as to what that is and why he has reached the point he has in his life. |
He knew what was missing. Episode 1 clearly showed that. Saitama thought being a hero would be exciting. But since he can wipe out any villain in one punch, everything is anti-climatic. His blood is not pumping in fear or excitement. There are no endorphins flooding through his system rewarding him for his actions and on top of that he gets no feedback or recognition for his actions.
So while he is practically saving the world on a regular basis, no one cares. Sort of like a kid with a new toy. The excitement is there in the beginning, but after awhile the toy just sinks slowly to the bottom of the toy box.
I just think many want the flawed hero growth stereotype, instead of seeing a well adjusted adult dealing with ennui. |
Episode 1 showed that there was something missing, he has now become a hero, but it didn't fill the hole. He worked his ass off, became the best he could be, and reached the point where he has realised that it wasn't it.
When you find something the fulfills your life, in one way or another, it isn't like grabbing the newest toy and then getting bored of it in a week.
His life extends beyond his heroics. Honestly, to me, it felt like this series hit the track where the character would look for something more. Something beyond being a hero. But, Saitama came across as being too lazy to do anything about it, and he continued to roll with the motions.
I've seen the flawed hero too many times...I do read comic books, and that seems to be a common theme in what I've read over the years. I like it to an extent, but currently I'm not looking for any more of it.
Also, I don't see Saitama as a well adjusted adult at all. Selfish, anti-social...
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Animorphimagi
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:56 pm
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I would disagree but after rereading some of the manga I realized some of the most important scenes were taken out, most likely to be reapplied to the next arc, and it actually hurt some of the impactful moments.
For one, did you know Unlicensed Rider has a back story that is intrinsically connected to Saitama? Also one important fact was skimmed over so fast that when I mentioned it to my brother he was genuinely shocked, Saitama is the ENTIRE source of the hero association.
Small, but important scenes like these helped carry the show in the early volumes because they added to world building and connected characters together in unexpected ways. I'm going to read more to see the differences, but I suspect many of these scenes were taken out to allow room to end the first season with Boros. That's fine, except Blizzard's/Mumen Rider's backstory could've been used as material for one of the 2 OVAs that ended up getting made. I like the OVA with Saitama when he was a normal guy, but the whole thing with Genos watching him was just plain dumb.
I guess sometimes it really is true that the manga is better than the anime. BTW the killer establishing shots were also removed, examples include the alien space ship and the meteor. There should've been an even bigger emphasis on their size.
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Joachim005
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:22 pm
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You're kinda forgetting what the show is: a parody. It's not meant to be taken seriously. If you're looking for action or drama, you have plenty of other alternatives. This is meant to make fun of your typical shounen fighting titles and does a superb job at that.
Also, I always hated the serious arcs in Gintama. You know, the arc they even made a movie about. I want fun, not gore and violence out of nowhere.
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relyat08
Joined: 20 Mar 2013
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:20 pm
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Joachim005 wrote: | You're kinda forgetting what the show is: a parody. It's not meant to be taken seriously. If you're looking for action or drama, you have plenty of other alternatives. This is meant to make fun of your typical shounen fighting titles and does a superb job at that.. |
Nah, that was thoroughly addressed in the review and has been discussed in this thread(over and over again). Everyone acknowledges that it's a parody to some extent. And very few of the complaints here are based on a lack of understanding of that.
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YotaruVegeta
Joined: 02 Jul 2002
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:35 pm
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | The way I see it, the purpose of a critic is to explain something to a typical audience member. |
That's a part of it, but a critic's purpose is to offer criticism. It's not about what your audience is interested in reading. It's about what you find fault with.
residentgrigo wrote: | So i am not the only one who thinks that the series ain´t all that. |
I read your post, but I can't find why you don't like it that much. Because it may have a wider appeal?
Stiles wrote: | Just can't take that character or show seriously, no matter what it's labeled as. Slice of life, action/adventure, comedy, whatever it is. |
It is an action comedy, though. That is what it is. You're not supposed to take it seriously.
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