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Tempest
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Where did you get your statistics on the number of child abuse cases in Japan ? http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/09/26/editorials/child-abuse-rate-record-high/#.VmLo0PmrR9M
In only 6 months and it certainly doesn't include teens involved in EK. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/03/458321777/a-tally-of-mass-shootings-in-the-u-s
My point: Don't invent statistics. |
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Rederoin
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Its not banned here, actually. One of the most well known H sites is based and hosted here. |
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Ali07
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Hmm, there are very few times when I can tell what age a character is. I mean, you've got 16 year olds walking around with figures that seem like the type that would belong to an older woman...then you have older women with young looking faces... |
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Rensie
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I'm reading eroge of every kind, so i do what i want, you on the countrary want to remove my freedom with censorship. Your freedom stop when mine start.
Your example is so wrong, killing animals is hurting a living creature, reading comics hurt no one since characters portrayed aren't a human beings or living creature, and they have no rights. And stop with the assumtion that reading eroge facilitate people from the fictional to the real world, after all these years you still believe in this lie, japanese government already did a study a year ago, and they gathered zero evidence. Same for videogames in the west, zero evidence, just speculations and easy scapegoats. This is the classic excuse the detractors use use to justify censorship on something they don't like.
Drawings don't have human rights, while human beings have. Law was created to protect human beings not fictional characters, law also don't punish for thoughts or for personal tastes.
What people do at their home is not your business. They don't remove your freedom or hurt you in any way.
This is something i decide myself because art is absolute and i believe in the freedom of speech. What is acceptable or not is not you to decide. If your country decide is not acceptable good for you, mine is not against and not Japan, stick your nose into other countries because you want the same rules for everyone, is selfish, arrogant and just wrong. Last edited by Rensie on Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:05 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Rensie
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Is already illegal in Japan,you didn't knew? Moreover even if wasn't true is something that the local japanese government have to decide not you or me as a foreigner. And you also OT since we speak about fictional comics not real matters.
It has nothing to do with manga, anime and videogames, never mentioned anywhere the relation from fiction and reality, neither in Us where videogames are under constant attack. The problem in Us are the weapons, but nobody cares and try to stop the powerfull weapon lobbies that kill real people, not to mention all the crap your government do to the countries in the mid-east asia to control the oil, resources and isolate commercially Russian Federation and China. The crime rate in Japan still very low compared to Us, Japan is still, no matter what you think, the safest country in the world. Last edited by Rensie on Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:32 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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mangamuscle
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It is worth saying (since not everybody reads links) that the same article says "Sexually abused children numbered 94, up 13 percent" Now, the number of reported cases child sex abuse in the USA in 2012 was is 62,939. Even taking into consideration that the USA almost 2.5 times the population of Japan and that the japan statistics are only half a year, we are talking more than 133 times more children sexual abuse! Now, my estimation is that if due to the tokyo winter olympics, they stop the publication (or make it very hard to make or require you to register) of this kinds of magazines a year prior, we will sadly see during that year a dramatic increase in the number of sexually abused children in japan, but hey, who cares about real children, lets protect 2D children from abuse.[/sarcasm] |
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Parse Error
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Perhaps you should be reexamining your own values when you don't think raping a child is any worse than looking at drawings you don't like. In any case, disgust isn't a valid reason to make something illegal, or else everything should be illegal, seeing as how there's nothing that isn't bound to disgust someone. Molesting a child is wrong because they can't give informed consent on equal terms and it will mess them up for the rest of their life, not because it's "gross." Senior citizens having sex is a disgusting image to many people, but not many say we should be throwing people in jail over it. Drawings don't harm anybody, so all you can justify it with is "things I don't like should be illegal." You bring up social order, but apparently haven't thought about how society could actually function if everyone behaved that way. Somebody just put pineapple on a pizza, call the cops! Somebody's listening to rap music, throw them in the electric chair! That's not a civilized society, it's sheer madness. What you want doesn't benefit society as a whole, it benefits you personally by eliminating something you're uncomfortable with. Last edited by Parse Error on Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:21 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Foxaika
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Delusions aside, isn't that a bit insensitive to the victims of such a thing? Fair enough you think the sexy pictures are disgusting, but I am not sure I'd say it's equivalent to someone actually being molested...maybe that's just me though. Edit: lol the timing Parse Error |
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Errinundra
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@ Rensie.
America v Japan isn't the topic of this thread and, given the preponderance of Americans on the board, could be taken as trolling, not to say soapboxing. So, please keep closer to the topic. For what it's worth I'll give my twopence worth... In a democracy there is no absolute or comprehensive right to freedom. It's an ideal but, the moment you have two people freedoms must be curtailed to an extent. This includes freedom of speech. Few in a "free" society dispute copyright, or "business-in-confidence" restrictions or cabinet secrecy in government (although politicians are inveterate "leakers") or the need for secrecy in military, diplomatic or espionage activities. Civilised societies also put restrictions on hate speech, slander and libel. I can't paint graffiti on my neighbour's front fence (though someone did just that with a Ponyo quote). The decision on how far the restrictions should go is up to each polity. Some are more restrictive than others. Don't just blame politicians. I have worked in politics - politicians are incredibly sensitive to that sort of thing. I'll give an example. A constituent of the member I worked for notified her that a new neighbour was being unusually friendly with her young daughter. A policeman friend of hers checked him out and, illegally, informed her that the neighbour had recently been released from prison for child molestation. Understandably, the mother freaked, demanding to the member that the man be removed. The member of parliament, being a mother herself, naturally sympathised with the mother. Whose freedoms are paramount here? It's a question that each society must resolve. |
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CoreSignal
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Your point also applies to yourself as well. If you really support freedom of expression then why aren't you upset that Japan censors Western games? So if the west censors something, that's bad, but if Japan censors something, than it's who cares. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. Obviously speaking for myself here, I have no interest in loli hentai or loli eroge, but believe it or not, I actually agree with you that anyone is free to enjoy it as much they want. The problem is that it seems like anytime somebody says they don't like something the other side automatically accuses them of censorship. "I don't like it" isn't the same as "censor it". Talk about jumping to conclusions. |
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Eisenmann V
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Except, disgusting as I find it, reading this shit doesn't actually hurt children, and trying to ban it sets a precedent for censorship in creative works that people shouldn't be comfortable with. |
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Rensie
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I'm not the one who derailed the forum into real life matters. You start this new from a futile tweet to ridiculize eroge so you should have been expected flames, allies and enemies.
Your freedom stop when mine start, entertainment in general don't affect your freedom, you have full control over it. At the same time you have no rights to remove my feedom based on your personal tastes. My point was only this. |
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Tempest
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Virtual child porn has been illegal in the Netherlands since 2002. Article 240b of the Dutch Criminal Code. http://arno.uvt.nl/show.cgi?fid=114482 http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/call-for-virtual-child-pornography-to-be-legalised-20121119-29mxv.html http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2012/10/virtual_child_porn_could_reduc/ |
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Tempest
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Again, I wasn't trying to make a point, merely pointing out that the statistics quoted were false. -t |
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Tempest
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Much as there is no consensus / proof that consumption of VCP leads to real child abuse, these is no consensus / proof that the availability of the material decreases real child abuse. Most evidence that I've seen presented by people arguing in favor of freedom of expression suggests that there is no link between one and the other. That said, some of the dutch articles I linked to a few minutes ago argued exactly that: Virtual child porn could reduce child abuse. Either way, my personal position on the issue remains the same: I support freedom of expression, including forms of expression that some people, myself included, may find abhorrent. -t |
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