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Tylerr
Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:26 am
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They going to adapt mangas or VN?
I'd hope it was mangas, there are hundreds of worthy ones, and VN almost always get butchered.
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anddo
Joined: 07 Mar 2015
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:34 am
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It's not anime if it's not produced in Japan hahahahah
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Lostlorn Forest
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:40 am
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Agent355 wrote: |
I wouldn't assume that at all, because Netflix exclusive anime like Knights of Sidonia and Seven Deadly Sins are available in multiple languages--Japanese and English, of course, but also French and Spanish and some others. If Netflix is serious about international production, I don't see why they wouldn't be involved with a Japanese studio making real anime that would be released in a myriad of languages worldwide on the same day. |
That makes sense. I'm probably just under the false mindset that if a show is dubbed over its worse than the original language it was meant to be in.
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belvadeer
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:32 am
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EricJ2 wrote: | I'd even settle for their Disney connection getting the X-D dubbed Doraemon series. :D |
Especially considering the Doraemon dub is completely gone from XD's scheduling block, as I predicted. Disney is so damn allergic to having anime on their network. I'm sure Yo-Kai Watch will be removed in due time as well.
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Actar
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:36 am
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Well, one downside of globalization is that it results in the dilution of culture... Don't want to open an age-old can of worms here, but I don't feel that Anime's anime unless it's produced by Japanese for Japanese. Same thing with that OEL manga thing years back. If they want to make cartoons, fine. Don't have to label it anime just because it has a "big eyes, sweat drop" art style. That's not the point.
Hopefully it'll be more along the lines of being a sponsor in the production team than anything else.
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WingKing
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:06 am
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Actar wrote: | Well, one downside of globalization is that it results in the dilution of culture... Don't want to open an age-old can of worms here, but I don't feel that Anime's anime unless it's produced by Japanese for Japanese. Same thing with that OEL manga thing years back. If they want to make cartoons, fine. Don't have to label it anime just because it has a "big eyes, sweat drop" art style. That's not the point. |
And yet Osamu Tezuka, arguably the single biggest influence on the classic look and style of anime, was by his own admission heavily influenced in his own art style by the American comics of the 1940s and 50s, especially Disney comics. So if you want anime that's purely Japanese and "undiluted" by American influences, you're already about 55 years too late for that. But there are some pretty interesting Japanese cartoons from the 1930s and early 40s, and a few of them have even made their way to YouTube.
Anyway, these days it seems like, if anything, it's anime that's influencing western animation more often than the other way around.
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Actar
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:03 am
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WingKing wrote: | And yet Osamu Tezuka, arguably the single biggest influence on the classic look and style of anime, was by his own admission heavily influenced in his own art style by the American comics of the 1940s and 50s, especially Disney comics. So if you want anime that's purely Japanese and "undiluted" by American influences, you're already about 55 years too late for that. |
Yes, I'm aware of that. Unfortunately, those who believe in Nihonjinron would have you think that the Scroll of Frolicking Animals was the original source of manga.
Regardless, that's not the point I'm making. I'm talking about non-Japanese producing cartoons with the anime "artstyle" and calling it anime.
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Lili-Hime
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:14 am
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WingKing is right, from the very beginning anime has been a sort of byproduct of cross pollination between Japanese and American cultures. The birth of the style itself was heavily influenced by Disney, and the Japanese themselves have no snobbery about that because they still love Disney to the point where Disney films will outsell even Miyazaki at the box office at times.
There are countless anime influenced by a love for western culture. The 80's especially were heavy influenced by 80's action movies like Terminator, Star Wars, Blade Runner and Alien(s). Ofc there's always been shows too where they were adapting the great works of western literature. Even today I'm certain we would not have the influx of shows about magical schools if it weren't for the insane popularity of Harry Potter in Japan. If you want 'purely' Japanese anime then the best you can really do is stuff like Takahata's Tale of the Bamboo Cutter or perhaps some of Satoshi Kon's stuff.
Actar wrote: | Regardless, that's not the point I'm making. I'm talking about non-Japanese producing cartoons with the anime "artstyle" and calling it anime. |
There's nothing that says Japanese 'own' that artstyle though; as mentioned it in itself is a fusion of cultural styles. Most 'anime' even created by Japanese is outsourced to Korea same as American animation so the point is kind of moot. I know 'American anime' conjures up some cringeworthy images, but I think what the Netflix guy meant was that they want to be on the production comittee and help fund more anime. ANY fan of anime should be happy about this because it means more anime will get made as right now the US economy is doing better than the Japanese and outside funding is a great help. Also too it could allow for more diverse opinions as to what shows get funded. Ofc there will always be a market for moe & distincly 'anime' shows; those kind of shows have been around for almost 30 years now... they're not going anywhere. Diversity doesn't hurt any culture, whether it's hollywood movies, anime or music.
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Actar
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:52 am
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Lili-Hime wrote: | There's nothing that says Japanese 'own' that artstyle though; as mentioned it in itself is a fusion of cultural styles. |
No, the issue that I was raising is with regard to the fact that anime should not be defined by any one artstyle and that many American "anime/manga" creators are just using the term whenever "big eyes and sweat drops" are involved.
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Lili-Hime
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:07 am
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Actar wrote: | No, the issue that I was raising is with regard to the fact that anime should not be defined by any one artstyle and that many American "anime/manga" creators are just using the term whenever "big eyes and sweat drops" are involved. |
I agree; some not familiar with anime can easily pigeon-hole it into one particular style when there are thousands of different styles. The diversity of artstyles and creativity I think was a factor that drew many of us to anime. If an artist says they draw anime style I'd ask what they mean. Like Otomo? Miyazaki? Takahashi? Koike? Ikeda? Toriyama? They all have such different styles!
That said I think Netflix wants to simply fund anime as part of production committee like Crunchyroll. As mentioned on the podcasts it seems these days doing that gives greater control of a show and is cheaper than a license at times so why not? This ensures that anime is still driven by Japanese creators. Netflix has a good track record so far with its original shows, so I'm optimistic.
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Beatdigga
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:22 am
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Considering Seven Deadly Sins is currently among the most watched shows on Netflix for the week, as well as the consistent success of anime on the service , yeah, I can see why they would want to get in on the action.
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Isinfier
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:25 am
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It's not just that, either. The popularity of content that Netflix has helped produce has been pretty massive; House of Cards, Daredevil, Beasts and soon Jessica Jones.
I'm not surprised they want to expand into animation. Hopefully they'll considering licensing some existing content (Kanon, please? We never got a UK release) alongside producing original content.
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configspace
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:27 am
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Currently all the Netflix licensed anime so far--their streaming premiers in the US (falsely marketed as "original" content)--have all been the broadcast version and have not been exclusive to them when it comes to home video.
So that allowed Sentai to include the better director's cut of Knight's of Sidonia in their release, for example. But what will happen to the home video releases of actual Netflix productions?
My guess is that it depends if they are in direct control over the content vs merely being an investor on the production committee.
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TheAncientOne
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:08 am
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Lostlorn Forest wrote: | Pretty sure they'll be English voices only. Which probably wouldn't be bad because they're not dubbing over anything this time. |
Given their new service in Japan, I wouldn't count on that being the case.
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MidoriUma
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:39 am
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If it's an American company and English-language, it's not anime.
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