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Porcupine
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I also thought of another thing just now. The Australian man in question who was fined only possessed ANIME child porn, did he not? Did he possess a single live-action child porn? No. Live-action child porn is definitely illegal (I think?) but it does exist and people who really want it can find ways to get it (and possibly get arrested even in the USA).
That guy did NOT have live-action child porn. Only anime child porn. It is arguable that liking anime child porn is not even the same thing as pedophilia. For similar reasons as stated earlier, age of anime characters is not well-defined and they are not necessarily like real people. Some people only like anime girls and don't even like real girls. Laugh if you want, but such people exist too. It's all the easier for someone to only like anime child porn and not real life child porn. From all indications this might have been such a guy as it was NOT reported that he possessed any real life porn at all. And if you only like anime girls, you CAN'T act out because anime girls don't exist in real life!! ;D (this is the only drawback to liking anime girls lol...I suppose you can make an anime mask and put it on your girlfriend though...haha that thought makes me laugh) |
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ultrapostman
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Porcupine wrote:
[ Gays have rights, so pedophiles should have limited rights also (not to act out, but to think in their mind and draw pictures as they please) That's true, and it's the heart of the problem. The whole reason Australia has laws against lolicon (not specifically I don't think, but it's probably included in whatever law bans cp) and why people hate pedophiles to begin with is that if a person is sexually attracted to minors as opposed to being heterosexual, gay, ect., then you can never be sure that they won't decide to act out their sick fantasies and rape a child in real life. There's always a chance (I hate to admit it, but it can't be denied) that a pedophile might decide to rape a child because he/she possessed cp in some form. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that is the main basis for people hating lolicon (as opposed to live-action, which constitutes rape). |
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Steroid
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No, because again, those films involve a moral crime in their creation. But as content they have no moral significance. If somehow a child porn tape dropped from the heavens, having been created from the ether, it would not be wrong to exist.
Except it's not the job of the government, which is doing the censoring, to combat evil. It's its job to defend rights. And I hold the right of free communication among willing parties as an absolute.
Yes, and more often than not his residence has a kitchen sink. But we don't look askance at kitchen sinks. You can't restrict something because it might lead someone to commit a crime. The problem is that you see no positive value in pedophilia. But I see the greatest value in it: people want it. That want trumps all the potential good the destruction of the desire would effect.
Normal by what standard? There are presumably thousands of pedophiles in the world. If they all got together and founded a city, would pedophilia be normal in that city? People are attracted to many "bad" things. They like violent movies. They eat chocolate rather than vegetables. They drink alcohol rather than spring water. It's impossible to objectively state what is the good and what is the bad, and how much bad we're willing to allow to avoid the greater evil of a bland society. It is possible to objectively base rules on a consenting-competent-parties standard.
And one of them touches a child? Let's hang the bastard. Let's torture him first as an example. Such a person forfeits all rights. This is the flip side. Once a crime under the consenting-competent parties standard is committed, justice demands the most stringent punishment. The result will be that most pedophiles, who value their life over a cheap thrill, will abstain and keep to the fantasy. We currently fill neither side of the job. We molly-coddle the people who actually commit crimes, and persecute the people who do things that are not crimes. Perhaps our governing officials are lazy. Or incompetent. Or corrupt. Or all 3. But that's no excuse for accepting bad government. |
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mistress_reebi
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Let me explain, I'm attracted to men. The chances of me sleeping with a man is high because I'm attracted to them. I'm not attracted to women, so the chances of me sleeping with one would be non-exisitant. A paedophile, one who is attracted to children, will most likely go after a child because they are attracted to children. It's not because they have a kitchen sink, (because by that logic everyone is a paedophile) it's because they have sick thoughts of children.
By developed countries standards.
By that logic, child rape wouldn't happen because all molesters think that way. It happens, meaning molesters don't care about laws.
Last I checked, by law being homosexual is okay. Child pornography, however, isn't okay. If live-action child porn is illegal why should animated child porn legal? It's like banning all movies that have violence but keeping animated violence. Pornography is pornography, drawn or real otherwise regular hentai would be concidered a child's cartoon.
I haven't seen that show but based on the encyclopaedia, it's rated T, meaning it isn't loli-hentai.
But he wasn't in the US he was in Austrialia, which is illegal to posses animated child porn. Please reframe from posting numerous amounts of times. You can edit and add. |
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britannicamoore
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Last time I checked drawings were okay with the law. And no porn drawn or not would never be a childs cartoons because it depicts adult situations. It's not veiwable by minors. So no it won't be rated G. |
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HitokiriShadow
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Only if they lack self control. It also assumes they are ONLY attracted to children. Couldn't someone with an attraction to children also be equally attracted to adults? (Hint: The answer is yes.)
Paedophile =/= child molester. And obviously, not all child molesters think that way or have self control. But they child molesters don't give a damn and not having access to virtual child porn is unlikely to make them less likely to do it. Obviously, there hare hundreds if not thousands of people with an interest in lolicon (hence why there are dozens of imageboards for them. And yet, very few people are acting out on such urges on real children.
Homosexuality is a sexual preference, just like paedophilia. Child pornography is product and a result of paedoohilia. You are comparing a sexual preference with a product. You could homosexuality to paedophilia, or gay rape or gay porn to child porn, but you can't compare homosexuality to child porn. It's apples and oranges. |
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therealssjlink
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mistress_reebi, I belive you need to watch the movie "The Minority Report". It is VERY RELEVANT to this discussion.
If anyone wanted to know, Azumanga Daioh is rated MA in Australia.....because of Kimura-sensei. If that doesn't tell you how strict they are...well, you'll need to actually watch Azumanga then  ;
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Kanchide
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Actually, I have, but I can't state my sources as the argument is delicate. Anyway, a lot of rapes are done by men who are sexually starved. Having sex, eating, eventually being violent and killing , are urges that are biologically scripted in men. We have a moderate control on these, but they need release, or the urge may overcome us. So we need release. So there is porn and violent sports and games. They are needed because of the society we have created and we want. We are scripted to survive trough domination by reproduction and suppression of rivals, but now we don't need those urges, and so rape and murder are (rightly) illegal. But the urges remains. Same for a gay or a paedophilies (not that I'm comparing - I'm using homosexuality as the more avaiable exhample). They are both natural urges (if praticed by others animals is natural enough) but as raping and killing, having sex with too young a person is proven bad. So they still need the release without hurting anyone. Same way I try to calm my destructive spirit by playing martial arts and violent games.
The difference in morality is that in one's head one should do anything they like. Until they do something harmful you shouldn't do anything to them. Or at least the seem in procint to do. Paedophilies don't have deir fantasies watching child porn. They already have the fantasies, or they wouldn't watch. Mostly, if they go after drawn images, is because they don't want to hurt anyone. And many may think, if I'm punished either way, why not go for the real thing? And don't say that the fines are not the same. In this society being exposed as a paedophilie is almost the same as being killed, as in the commoner eye there is no difference between a child molester, a child raper, a child killer, a paedophilie, an ephebophilie. Concluding; is not right to allow paedophilies to see real children having sex because those real children may be hurt in the process. P.S. For most things, search around internet, mostly wikipedia, and you'll find sources enough. |
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ArielTsuki
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Because every pedo doesn't feel like it's enough. 
Again, not all child molesters are pedos and not all pedos are child molesters because act of sex doesn't make your sexuality (attraction do) and there's one than one type of child molesters besides pedos. Even some pedos have enough morals not to lay their hands on a real child that they can cause harm to.
No, they're only catching the ones who breaking the law and no more. Having lolicon or real CP (they arrested for it for promoting the person who did the act to do it more and explotation of a minor) doesn't guarantee the person will be a future molester. Like people said before (which proves you're not reading), if the person steps out of the boundaries, they should be summarily punished for it. It's not like finding the formula to kill the common cold, my god.
Better than none.
LOL, whut? I was just answering your post. No the point is that there is no moral scale for rape, whether you are an adult or child. It DOESN'T matter how OLD they are, rape is still a NON-CONSENTUAL act. There is no "age of consent". It doesn't make you morally superior to watch a hentai full of rape scenes than reading a lolicon manga.
Paris Hilton's case was different, WAY different and you can't compare the two. There is CONCRETE evidence that driving drunk can lead to accidents since to be able to drive, you would need your eye-hand coordination. Drinking can impair those. And do you know what is the leading cause of death of people ages 15-30? Car accidents that are very likely a result of drunk driving (it's uncommon otherwise). Which was also the reason that the legal age to able to drink in the US bumped from 18 to 21 (although I think it just made the problem worse than better). Plus she didn't go to jail over the drunk driving, she went to jail because she violated parole, which is an automatic jail sentence. And getting arrested doesn't mean you can get convicted. However there is no evidence that reading lolicon would lead to an actual molestation of a child. You only ASSUME it can. You can say, "Well, oh, they have child porn in their house." Most men has some type of porn in their house when they need to jack off. Do you think serial rapist that prey on women don't have porn in their house? The only reason that get arrested over the real CP because it's illegal to have it. Like in some states, a murderer would get arrested and convicted on a charge of an illegal posession of weapons. And what I mean by parents taking responsibilty is that to monitor their kid's internet usage. With the advent of the public use of the Internet, it came much easier for molesters to get their prey. My mother and aunt always supervised my usage of the Internet when I was 14-15 (although I was well aware of the dangers of the Internet). Alot of kids ended up sexually abused or worse because the parents weren't attentive enough. Also, the goverment can only do so much, so the parents should check if there's registered sex offenders in the area. Teach the child what to do when a stranger comes out with you. Also teach them the physical boundaries of where people shouldn't feel. Taking away CP and lolicon/shotacon would not stop them, not by a significant amount of it. And please, people don't approve of murder but we have countless action movies and games full of it. Letting lolicon be published or created, without any usage of a real child, will not send a message that pedophila is normal. And censorship IS unacceptable. America takes its greatest pride in our First Amendment, which is the right to speak, press (media) and assemble. Plus it can be dangerous because it an active avoidance of the problem. It will not make the pedo change his/her orientation or stop molesters from molesting children. |
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mistress_reebi
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These drawings aren't okay in Austrailian law
Do you have evidence? Of course people wouldn't admit to something like that.
We all know wikipedia is completely reliable
So, we should ignore anyone with only possession of child pornography because they haven't harmed anyone? Tell that to the parents who's child had been raped and the cops found child porn in the molesters home. It hurts kids to produce child porn but the one who only downloaded the porn hasn't done the harm, which is exactly like loli-hentai. The downloader didn't do any harm so why make owning it illegal? So we should only go after the pornographers because the downloaders have done no harm, right? Loli-hentai is the same as owning real child porn; the person who only has a copy of the product but hasn't harmed anyone. Yet, when they do molest children, it's too late to say, "well, they didn't harm anyone so it was okay for them to have loli-hentai."
Why not send them to therapy where they won't get those sexual images of children out of their heads.
There may not be any evidence that one who owns loli-hentai will be a child molester, but there is evidence that one who owns real child porn is likely to be a child molester. Go on Oprah.com and check out her millions of shows she does on paedophiles who owned child porn. I'll give you a link to one where a child pornographer traded his images with other paedophiles. (it didn't say other molesters, just paedophiles) Loli-hentai is child porn so who is to say that there isn't a chance they will prey on children? http://www2.oprah.com/tows/slide/200601/20060117/slide_20060117_284_202.jhtml
Actually, it does. It's telling people that it's okay to jerk off to children having sex. |
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ultrapostman
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[quote="mistress_reebi"]
These drawings aren't okay in Austrailian law quote] Not everyone lives in Australia. And I think that some people who do live there disagree with the laws, but are afraid to speak out and be labeled as perverts. Making laws to ban cp doesn't eliminate pedophiles; it just tells them that society hates them and considers them disgusting perverts. How is someone supposed to get consoling when admitting that he/she is a pedophile makes him/her a social pariah? I'm not asking people to just put aside their personal opinions on pedophilia, but to remember that these are human beings who can't neccessarily help the fact that they're attracted to minors. |
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ultrapostman
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Ah yes Oprah, I was wondering when she would come up. She's such a wonderfull person, informing viewers everywhere on the horrors of pedophiles: how they molest children and act like inhuman monsters. Let me respond to this with a story (Forgive me if you're not Christian and/or haven't read the Bible) Once upon a time there were two cities: Sodom and Gomorrah. The citizens were renowned for how depraved they were, and God decided that it was time to punish them (these people were seriously bad). Then a man (I think it may have been Abraham, but I'm not sure) asked God, "Lord, what if there are 50 good people in the cities? Will you destroy them for the sake of their neighbors?" God said that he would not. Abraham kept pushing his luck (This guy was really devout) and God eventually said , "If there are 5 good people in the cities, I will not destroy them." (I think God may have eventually destroyed the cities because it was really getting out of hand, but he did save the decent people) Anyway, I know that was a bit long winded, but the moral is not to punish people because of what others do. If there is even one pedophile in the world with no intention of ever harming a child, then he/she does not deserve to be called a child molester. |
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mistress_reebi
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[quote="ultrapostman"]
Doesn't seem like a problem to the Aussies on this site: animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=462534#462534 On;y I have replied to the news article.
Maybe, instead of letting them jerk off to child porn how about help them to not look at children in a sexual way?
But the article was refering to Australian law. |
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Porcupine
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People who like child porn don't need 'therapy'. It's perfectly fine to like child porn, even real child porn. It's only not okay to produce it (because it's rape) and it's not okay to support the child porn industry (by buying the product). In this case, we are dealing with animated porn in which children MAY be involved (I still have not seen any actual titles named so even this is unproven). There is nothing illegal about producing animated porn or animated child porn, and there SHOULD be nothing illegal about watching animated child porn either. In most countries it is certainly legal. In Australia, it MAY be illegal but even that is not proven as the articles that reported this incident have not given us enough information to prove that it was not just a case where the Australian justice system made a mistake.
If you think people who like child porn need 'therapy', then gays need 'therapy' too. Maybe people who think the Earth is round need 'therapy'. So let's throw them in the corner and kill them by throwing stones at them, or tie them up and burn them up at the stake as heretics, like in the olden days. Some Hawaiians think that super fat women are beautiful. That's nasty. They are heretics I say. We should throw all the Hawaiians into a corner and stone them to death. Maybe people who DON'T like child porn need 'therapy'. The people who do like child porn should throw all the stupid normal people into the corner and stone them to death. The only reason this wouldn't work though is that more people don't like child porn than those who do, so if there is a stone-throwing war then the child porn people lose. There's no right or wrong. It's simply groups of people with different attributes. Some people think the world is flat and some people think the world is round. What happens when people have disagreements? I dunno, I guess that's what the government is for, but governments don't always do a perfect job either (think Saddam Hussein or Hitler). I think it'd be interesting if a small country openly declared pedophilia, and even real-life child porn and child sex, completely legal in that country. I don't see this as an impossibility at all (considering things that countries have done in the past). I bet if such a country were to exist, people would find that there are more pedophiles in the world than gays. |
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ultrapostman
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Well of course it doesn't seem like a problem, I just said that people who disagree with it probably won't speak up. Please don't make me repeat myself. And yes, I know the article was about Australian law, but I just wanted to say that not every country has the same problems that Australia does (please don't anyone respond and say , "Just because you think it's a problem doesn't make you right." because, I already know that. This is just my opinion.). |
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