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REVIEW: Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie Part 3: Rebellion

But in the end of the movie Sayaka is alive agian, in real world, world rewritten by Humura! So, my point still stands.

[quote="Polycell"]Did you seriously miss Kyubey's reason for his actions? It was entirely about studying the law of the cycle, defeating it and harvesting the power of witches, which is entirely along the lines of his established motivations. On the other hand, trapping Homura in the series would be entirely out of character; she poses no threat to Madoka's life, so she's little more than an inconvenience and an enigma(given their nature, an unexplained magical girl is definitely something QB would be wary of).

As for Madoka's wish, it's made quite clear that he didn't have any choice in granting it.

Because she said this in the last episode of TV series:
http://imgur.com/a/ncJa4

So what? How is this an answer to my questions? Homura wasn't the one who sealed off Madoka from her powers, it was Incubator's isolation field. Which was breached near the end of the movie, that's why Madokami appeared, whereas it was impossible before.So, still no answers...

But in the end of the movie Sayaka is alive agian, in real world, world rewritten by Humura! So, my point still stands.

You missed the point entirely The point is that Kyubey would never do such thing. Kyubey NEVER interfered with wishes and now he was trying to undo Madoka's wish, by bring Witches back. Kyubey NEVER imprisoned anyone, for whatever reason and now he was imprisoning Homura. All of this just because plot demands it, not because it make any sense from character standpoint. In essence; it simply wasn't Kyubey.

@Tachikoma1701
Homura didn’t seal off Madoka’s powers. The Goddess Madoka sent an avatar of herself into Homura’s egg, along with her angels, Sayaka and Nagisa. The surviving Magical Girls also went in. Madoka gave her memories to Sayaka and Nagisa, so that Kyubey wouldn’t get wise to Madoka as the Law of Cycles.
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As to the ultimate ending, what does Homura actually have. Homura did say that the Law of Cycles still exits, that she only took a part of it. Does that mean the Goddess Madoka still exists, and all that Homura has is one of Madoka’s avatar’s.
Guess it comes down to the cosmology of what Goddess Madoka actually is. My understanding is that she is an actual part of the structure of the Universe and that her interactions with the lesser beings, (like us) are done using avatars.
The devil Homura had the power to restructure the physical universe, but did she have the power to also change the foundations of that universe, of which the Goddess Madoka is an actual part of. I think that remains to be seen.
Right now, I prefer to believe that all Homura has is an avatar of Madoka. Who know what the writers believe.

Looks like I forgot the second half of that comment. Point conceded, though the universe being rewritten does some like a squirrelly thing to fit into any sort of foresight.

Kyubey explicitly told Homura to call for Madoka as the Law of the Cycle with the isolation field up. It was the fact that she didn't remember what she was that prevented her from returning to being a goddess, same as at the tail end of the movie

Watch the scene again: Sayaka clearly remembers what happened before and was about to use her powers before Homura started working her memory magic. There's no reason to believe that Sayaka's any different at the end than she was before

Madoka's wish doesn't exist to Kyubey; she's simply a law of the universe to him, to be studied and controlled. As for taking prisoners, when did he ever have cause to before? All we ever saw in the series was his manipulative side.

Facepalm. He granted that wish in the first place! Doesn't matter, if he remembers this event or not; if he believed in story Homura told him in the end of episode 12 - and he must believe in it, in order to take an action he took in "Rebellion"- then he must have known that he was the one who granted Madoka's wish, a wish which turned her into this law of the universe. So, he knew damn well what he was doing - he was trying to udo a wish! A wish, which he granted in the first place!

As for taking prisoners... yes, we only seen Kyubey's manipulative side, because that's all he ever did! My point is: if there was a different side to his character, if he had no problem taking prisoners and experimenting on them, then he wouldn't bother with the contracts in the first place!

That's so obvious, that is painful... Homura was killing him over and over again in TV series, preventing him from making a contract with Madoka, and yet he never imprisoned Homura... Why?

Kyubey don't do such things - he is passive and manipulative, he is not an abductor or experimentator. I don't know who this guy in "Rebellion" was, but it wasn't Kyubey...

Since you're not even bothering to address my arguments on the Sayaka situation, I'll just leave that alone.

Much the same as Homura in the series, Madoka's wish put her outside of the system for Rebellion. Whereas he spent most of the series trying to figure out Homura, he had Madoka spelled out for him. Therefore, he had not need to pussyfoot around and could proceed directly to plan R

It's established the contract system was central to harvesting the energy from the girls; the greater the happiness, the greater the despair and the greater the energy released when a magical girl hatches. Randomly torturing people doesn't fit into it at all.

Most of the run she was an anomaly, so just attacking her wouldn't be the wisest decision even if he could. After that, her inevitable failure against Walpurgisnacht would make for a great reason for Madoka to make a contract.

Rebellion had Kyubey don his labcoat; he wanted to capture the Law of the Cycle so that he could poke it with a stick. The very creation of the magical girl system required the same mindset, so Rebellion just gives us a show of what else the Kyubey collective is capable of.

What arguments? Saying that Sayaka have her memories, doesn't change the fact that her entire story from TV series is irrelevant, because it's completely inconsequential - both narratively and thematically.

And if he didn't liked Madoka's wish, if he was actively working to undo that wish, then he shoudn't grant it in the first place!

Funny thing; contract system have nothing to do with happiness or despair.

He could just grant their wishes without ever asking for permission, and then wait until girls fall into despair. But he didn't. At one point he even said that he treats people better than we treat our live stock, because he was always asking for permission.

Not, in "Rebellion"... In TV series, Kyubey was at beast like drug dealer, now he is like top hat wearing, mustache twirling villain, who tie down damsel to train tracks in hope that he will lure the hero into a trap...

Whether or not Homura was an anomaly was irrelevant - she still couldn't kill him, even though she tried to do so many times over, so trying to capture her wouldn't be dangerous in any shape or form.

Also Homura's failure was non factor in Madoka forming a contract. With or without Homura, Walpurgis would still destroy the city, and Madoka would still make a contract; either to stop Mitakihara's destruction or to repair the damage.

nope, it showed us Kyubey who have nothing to do with TV series Kyubey - especially, completely different character. But fanboys/fangirls just don't care, and they will try to rationalize it anyway they can...