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Shiroi Hane
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:52 pm
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For some reason I found the fanservice (especially in regards to the twins treatment of Stephanie) more objectionable in prose form than I remember finding it in the anime, however:
Quote: | She loves him against her will, and she's waging a constant war with herself as she remembers that, unable to tell what her real emotions are and what she is being manipulated into feeling. |
I remember something in the novel about how such a vague command shouldn't have any force, perhaps implying that she really is falling for him but doesn't want to admit it (like every other tsundere out there).
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Utsuro no Hako
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:13 pm
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The translation reminds me of Roger Ebert's review of Battlefield Earth:
Quote: | The director, Roger Christian, has learned from better films that directors sometimes tilt their cameras, but he has not learned why. |
Change that to "authors sometimes use sentence fragments" and you have a perfect description of this book.
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Shaterri
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:30 pm
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This seems like a pretty fair review all in all. While I haven't dipped into the novel yet, my strong impression of the first handful of anime episodes was that the author had built a really interesting world and a rock-solid premise, but then didn't have enough trust that its merits would carry the work and chose to supplement things with heavy doses of occasionally-unsettling fanservice. I don't feel like it actively detracts from the work (though I wouldn't fault anyone who did), but it just feels wholly superfluous to me.
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Via_01
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:42 pm
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Shaterri wrote: | This seems like a pretty fair review all in all. While I haven't dipped into the novel yet, my strong impression of the first handful of anime episodes was that the author had built a really interesting world and a rock-solid premise, but then didn't have enough trust that its merits would carry the work and chose to supplement things with heavy doses of occasionally-unsettling fanservice. I don't feel like it actively detracts from the work (though I wouldn't fault anyone who did), but it just feels wholly superfluous to me. |
Nah, taking in mind his last work, I believe the author is just into that kind of thing, so the fanservice is probably not just a way to make it more appealing to others (though that's definitely a part of it).
Personally, I don't mind the type of thing many would consider questionable, and I liked the Sora/Shiro relationship in the show, so I may order this book.
I MAY, because I know it's going to take a full month to reach my hands, and my interest may have already disappeared by then. Such is the fate of those who live in faraway countries.
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Princess_Irene
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:47 pm
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Shiroi Hane wrote: |
I remember something in the novel about how such a vague command shouldn't have any force, perhaps implying that she really is falling for him but doesn't want to admit it (like every other tsundere out there). |
I read that as more of her inner turmoil as she tried to grasp what was going on rather than part of the rules, but I could see it either way now that you mentioned it.
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CaRoss
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:52 pm
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I'm kind of disappointed to find out that the fanservice carries over so well to the light novel. No Game No Life has one of the best ideas for a fantasy world in ages (and I really think more people should capitalize on the idea). The whole idea of taking a high fantasy world and making it into an environment where games of all sorts determine the outcome; as a writer I kind of want to take the idea and play with it myself. It's just too bad that the fanservice (particularly Shiro's fanservice) is prevalent in the novel. It's really distracting to what is really good about this setting.
As to Sora and Shiro, I personally found they have moments that make them pretty likable. However, the treatment that they give to Steph is definitely pretty harsh to stomach and is a real detriment to many of the series' characters. Too bad it sounds like it's a bit worse off here. I was kind of hoping for another repeat of The Devil is a Part-Timer (where the novel really adds to what makes the anime so charming). Granted, I'll still probably support this one as well as most others that come out over here. Need to form more of my own opinions by reading them after all
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Tanteikingdomkey
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:38 pm
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Princess_Irene wrote: |
Shiroi Hane wrote: |
I remember something in the novel about how such a vague command shouldn't have any force, perhaps implying that she really is falling for him but doesn't want to admit it (like every other tsundere out there). |
I read that as more of her inner turmoil as she tried to grasp what was going on rather than part of the rules, but I could see it either way now that you mentioned it. |
It has been a while since I saw the anime or read the novels, but I do distantly remember there being mention that while his command would make her love him that it would only last about 5 minutes and then she would go back to whatever she felt previously since there was no mention of the amount of time she should love him was my understanding/remembering of the situation.
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DmonHiro
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:46 pm
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Actually no, she doesn't love him against her will. His original command was "fall in love", and that worked. Staying in love was not part of the deal, and the "fall in love" faded away.
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Shay Guy
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:39 pm
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Tanteikingdomkey wrote: | It has been a while since I saw the anime or read the novels, but I do distantly remember there being mention that while his command would make her love him that it would only last about 5 minutes and then she would go back to whatever she felt previously since there was no mention of the amount of time she should love him was my understanding/remembering of the situation. |
DmonHiro wrote: | Actually no, she doesn't love him against her will. His original command was "fall in love", and that worked. Staying in love was not part of the deal, and the "fall in love" faded away. |
Obvious after-the-fact justification is obvious.
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Shippoyasha
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:11 pm
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I'm fine with how Stephanie is utilized personally. She is clearly meant to be the foil as of now. I'm sure she will get more moments for herself later down the line.
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Shippoyasha
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:16 pm
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CaRoss wrote: | I'm kind of disappointed to find out that the fanservice carries over so well to the light novel. No Game No Life has one of the best ideas for a fantasy world in ages (and I really think more people should capitalize on the idea). The whole idea of taking a high fantasy world and making it into an environment where games of all sorts determine the outcome; as a writer I kind of want to take the idea and play with it myself. It's just too bad that the fanservice (particularly Shiro's fanservice) is prevalent in the novel. It's really distracting to what is really good about this setting.
As to Sora and Shiro, I personally found they have moments that make them pretty likable. However, the treatment that they give to Steph is definitely pretty harsh to stomach and is a real detriment to many of the series' characters. Too bad it sounds like it's a bit worse off here. I was kind of hoping for another repeat of The Devil is a Part-Timer (where the novel really adds to what makes the anime so charming). Granted, I'll still probably support this one as well as most others that come out over here. Need to form more of my own opinions by reading them after all |
I've been following it avidly and I think it all plays well into the super-otaku characterizations of the siblings really. They are just trying to have fun the only way know how. And it actually works to their advantage in bamboozling their opponents as well. If there's a proper way to use fanservice, I would say this is it.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:30 pm
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I got the novel on the Kindle. Guess the manga is not out over here.
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dm
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:00 pm
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I think the sentence fragments reflect abbreviated net-chat-speak, and may even be limited to Sora or Shiro's internal dialogues.
If this first novel is anything to go by, the anime was a pretty faithful adaptation --- even Stephanie's head-banging is described (something that works visually, either in anime or manga, but really doesn't work well in a novel).
If anything, I think the anime does a lot of things better than does the book: perhaps not surprising from a creator used to working in a visual medium. I think the games are handled better in the anime (though perhaps the best treatment of Sora's jan-ken-pon game with Stephanie is in the manga: complete with game-theoretic payoff matrices!
This first novel only takes us up to the end of the chess game against Kurami --- we don't even really meet her Elf companion. The series is only just getting started.
That said, I enjoyed the book well enough --- I'll give the series a few more volumes.
One difference so far: I think Tet plays a more significant role in this first novel.
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CaRoss
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:36 am
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Shippoyasha wrote: |
I've been following it avidly and I think it all plays well into the super-otaku characterizations of the siblings really. They are just trying to have fun the only way know how. And it actually works to their advantage in bamboozling their opponents as well. If there's a proper way to use fanservice, I would say this is it. |
I'm glad to hear that it plays well into the "super-otaku" element of the siblings. I did really like that about them in the anime.
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utawoutau
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:14 am
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As far as people trapped in a game world trope, I am really looking forward to the "Rise of the Shield Hero" books coming out later this year. I'm hooked on the web novel, and the actual novels appear to make some pretty big changes from the web version.
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