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Ronin2081
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There are plenty of properties in the US that could make good Action Cartoons the sad thing is most networks just don't care about action cartoons anymore and instead favor the comedic cartoons since they are easier/cheaper to make then a decent action show.
Though some think the time of American action cartoons is passing due to the boom of comic-book themed movies; I think that is one of the reasons Jason stated as to why we don't see many of them in the US any more. |
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enurtsol
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And as DeMarco also pointed out --even anime-- serial action shows don't do well on reruns where they can get extra revenue off the same one-time license fee, while comedy shows --which tend to be non-serial-- do better regardless which episodes rerun. That means, non-serial show is kinda gift that keeps on giving, while serial show doesn't provide much extra returns after the first run. (Remember, many of these are not their own IPs, so the only money they make is off TV ratings.) |
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CoreSignal
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Great interview with DeMarco, Zac. It was great to finally hear about the birth of Toonami from the source. As much as streaming has cut into Toonami's viewership, DeMarco is right. TV is still the most widespread way to attract a general viewer. Streaming has made everything more convinent but it's like preaching to the converted. It's great for people who already watch anime, but a non-anime viewer isn't going to suddenly decide to look up anime one day. They gotta be shown something first to get his/her interest.
I'd also take a shorter block with all premiere shows, than a 6 hour block with half reruns, so I think it does work out. As the for the demise of action animation in the West, yeah, the flood of comic book movies in the past decade probably have something to do with it. I think Kill la Kill is great example of action that works better in animation than live-action. It's too bad, 'cause it'd be great to see a Western action animation/cartoon NOT based on a existing property (there are too many superhero/comic book, Transformers, Star Wars, etc. adaptations), more original stuff like Avatar or Korra would be nice. A shame that traditional animation really seems to be dying out in America animation since everything is CG nowadays. Also, are we ever gonna get a dvd/bd release of Sym-Bionic Titan? |
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Ronin2081
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Doubtful since Cartoon Network recently wrote off Sym-Bionic titan last year. That normally means it's in a legal limbo where it will probably sit till the end of days unless someone like Gennedy tries to buy it and do something with it. |
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dragonrider_cody
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Well, that definitely didn't help things. However, the cancellation was primarily due to the fact that the show, while pulling in numbers comparable to Fairly Odd Parents (which premiered at the same time), was simply attracting an audience that was too old for Nickelodeon's target demographics. With the show failing to attract younger viewers, it was moved to Sunday afternoons and the ratings subsequently were cut in half. Networks often have disagreements with show creators, look at Nickelodeon and Ren and Stimpy for a comparable example. But that doesn't always lead to cancellation. If Nick had really wanted the show, and could have lived with the older demographic it attracted, they could have found a way to work things out. Hell, since Nick/Viacom owned the show outright, they could have replaced Vasquez as they have done with other shows. |
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enurtsol
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@ dragonrider_cody
Interesting additional info.
More original IP is nice and Kill la Kill counts, but most action anime are also based on existing properties, so don't hold it against Western action doing it too. Anyways, the loss of the 3 extra hours does affect Toonami in one important way: Toonami loses the time-flexibility those "less consequential" extra hours afford them. For instance, look at Ronin2081's example above: when Toonami only just got notified suddenly out of the blue that they'd lose Batman and Sym-bionic Titan immediately, they were able to use those extra hours to quickly change the schedule and air the rest of the eps there before they lost it. There's not that many TV blocks where ya can make such drastic adjustments so quickly. Those extra hours afforded them that flexibility. So if something happens to the first 3 hours now (like that time they aired the last episode of Wolf's Rain but missing the correct ending theme epilogue scene, remember that?) - they no longer have the time flexibility to quickly adjust to correct problems. |
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darkchibi07
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That's why I hope they show the Madoka movies instead; those will go straight towards the good stuff without having to wait a week for the next episode. And arguably, everyone will be in the same page once the 3rd movie is released. |
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Veers
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Before I get back to listening to the entire podcast I just want to say two thumbs up for that Terry Scott Taylor intro clip. I wonder how many other people recognize what it's from.
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Greed1914
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I hadn't thought about that, but you have a point. Since I missed most of Beware the Batman when it first aired, I ended up watching it on Toonami. Getting to finish it, even in a rushed method, was nice. Even with premieres, there can be surprises, like having to go back and show the last two volumes of Hellsing Ultimate because they somehow only had access to the first eight when it started. |
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CoreSignal
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Yeah, that sucks. I hope we see it on home video, eventually. @enurtsol, it's true that a lot of action anime are manga or light novel adaptations but still, it's like 90% of American action cartoons all seem to pull from Marvel/DC, Transformers, or Star Wars over and over. Maybe it's due to fact there's just more variety in action manga in general.
That's a really good point. Toonami is basically on a shorter leash when it comes to viewership numbers because of those shortened hours. Well, I hope this shorter time block works out. |
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enurtsol
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Hey DC, got curious about this, so tried to remember a few things: "Two Toons Debuts with Merchandising Potential - Big O and Invader Zim"
They were targeting an older audience, so not sure what their problem. Incidentally, here's what was said about Big O before its premiere all those years ago:
And lastly, here's another from Jhonen Vasquez when Invader Zim got cancelled: "Invader Zim Repelled"
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