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Fedora-san
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Well, as gloverrandal pointed out, they're not really the same at all. But I was actually speaking more about length of series. Very few series last as long as anime does, because networks don't want that many episodes. 52-65 is the magic number that allows them to rerun shows after that. Outside of Spongebob, I don't know of any kids show, especially these days, that can claim to have as many episodes as any of the Yu-Gi-Oh series. Especially action cartoons with an actual plot to them. Networks already don't think kids are able to follow a story that goes on for over a few episodes, let alone 100.
Other card games were and still are doing just fine. Vanguard did better than Kaijudo in America despite not even being on TV which is pretty amazing when you think about it. I doubt it had anything to do with anyone being "card-gamed out" or any kind of over-saturated market. It might be more accurate to say card games are a competitive market since they're all fighting for your hundreds of dollars on booster packs so only the strongest survive. I remember around that time 4Kids tried to make their own card game franchised called Chaotic which underperformed as well. Meanwhile games like Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh did and continue to do just fine. So in that regard marketing is going to be a key part in getting your game compete with the big leagues. And I don't think you can really compare a trading card game to... mattresses. |
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leafy sea dragon
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I consulted TV.com, and these are the number of episodes of each Yu-Gi-Oh! series: Yu-Gi-Oh! Classic (including Season 0): 237 Yu-Gi-Oh! GX: 211 Yu-Gi-Oh! 5-D's: 269 Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXaL: 116 (still ongoing) I'm going to look for long-running children's western animation series and see how they stack up. These are the ones that have outdone at least one Yu-Gi-Oh! series in episode count, not including ZeXaL. The Smurfs: 510 Rugrats (including All Grown Up!): 239 (138 without it) SpongeBob Squarepants: 238* The Fairly OddParents: 236* Phineas and Ferb: 228* Johnny Test: 226 * These series are still ongoing. The Scooby-Doo franchise I'd count as a special case, as some series are direct continuations of others much like Dragon Ball Z is a continuation of Dragon Ball or Naruto Shippuden witjh Naruto, and some are not. However, none of the Yu-Gi-Oh! series share the same characters, each being a leap forward in time. None of the individual Scooby-Doo series approach any of the Yu-Gi-Oh! series in length, but ONLY the mystery-solving Mystery Machine series (including Mysteries, Inc.), they count up to 263: Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?: 34 The New Scooby-Doo Movies: 20 The Scooby-Doo Show: 40 A Pup Named Scooby-Doo: 30 What's New, Scooby-Doo?: 87 Mysteries, Inc.: 52 Counting the non-mystery stuff, which still uses the same core cast, there are 460 episodes of Scooby-Doo total: Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo: 158 The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo: 13 Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get a Clue!: 26 These are series I found that did not outdo any of them, not including ZeXaL, but have 100 or more episodes (I think Dexter's Laboratory would be part of this list too, but the TV.com episode guide for it is incredibly screwed up): MAD: 206 Total Drama (includes Island, Revenge, Action, and World Tour): 189 Adventure Time: 180* The Flintstones (1960 series only): 169 Dora the Explorer: 159* The Penguins of Madagascar: 144 Codename: Kids Next Door: 143 Regular Show: 143* Camp Lazlo: 142 Courage the Cowardly Dog: 141 The Powerpuff Girls: 141 Ed, Edd, 'n' Eddy: 133 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003): 131 Johnny Bravo: 129 Recess: 125 Star Wars: The Clone Wars: 124 Chowder: 120 My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: 117* (including 2015's 5th season) Batman: The Animated Series: 110 Hey Arnold!: 107 Animaniacs: 100 (including Wakko's Wish, the intended final episode) * These series are still ongoing. The big thing is how the TV executive system works on American television, as well as the existence of manga in Japan. For the latter, with the exception of Sazae-san, every long-running anime series I can think of was adapted from a manga, which, like American comic books, is free to go on until the audience becomes too small. Otherwise, they tend to be pretty short too, telling their story in 13, 26, or 52 episodes and is done with it. American television has every executive desiring to leave their fingerprints on the channel, and to do so, they will put in their own shows. The easiest way to do so is to cancel shows that will leave the least stink, which would be the most recent shows on that channel. Hence, either they'll barely last, or they'll last a very long time. Bear in mind that the 65-episode rule has largely been discontinued, probably because kids are savvy enough to look online and binge on streams and thus can watch more than one episode per week. |
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jr240483
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not unless they would have to include some edits for that series for it to be shown in the late evening. also Zoid Genesis never got an english dub. according in a previous panel during the anniversary, there was some serious backlog during discussion so no US company never got the chance. the only english dubs i know are from Animax Asia which are of course are just as bad as 4kdis. Also IGPX definitely wasnt that bad. both the animation and the acting was great, but the storyline was a little off after season 2. it should have ended at season 1. also the series was doomed from the start the minute it became public that CN was pulling the strings of the series. Considering that english dub companies have a bad rap (no thanks to 4kids) even i know that the die hard otaku community wasnt gonna take this series seriously at all which is why most people didn't bother watching this. and unfortunately they didn't learned their lesson cause they try to copy marvel and give an anime like feeling for the remaking of the thundercats series which as we all know bombed even more than IGPX. it would have been better for them to just bring CN Japan's version of Power Puff Girls aka PPGZ to toonami instead. and the biggest mistake was their plan along with the nfl to americanized eyeshield. it really left a bad taste for viz media , which is probably the reason why sentai filmworks never even bothered giving this a new english dub when they licensed it. the other was bringing other series like prince of tennis and hikaru no go. they was gonna bomb on TV like there is nobody's business. the same can be the same for gash bell.though mainly cause of its ridiculous edits which werent 4kids level but bad enough for people to stay away and go to the fansubs. and dont get me started on both blue dragon and rave master. both were so butchered and so badly massacared that viz dropped it completely and no company have even picked up rave master after tokyopop went under. that bungle along with the mess they did with eyeshield nearly gave did Viz in. If it wasnt for shows like Naruto and Inuyasha on AS, Viz Media right now would be given the same bad rep as 4kids in the otaku community. so while toonami gave some anime series its popularity, it unfortunately doomed others into fansub central. kinda the way it will be alongs are there are idiots in charge over there who dont know BS about the anime otaku community and what they like and dont like when it comes to showing their favorite series on TV. |
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Fedora-san
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ZeXal actually ended at 146 episodes and Arc-V is the current series at 35 episodes. But I feel the need to point out a lot of the shows on your list are a bit misrepresented. A lot of them seem to be counting each 11 minute segement of a normal 30 minute episode as it's own episode, which is a bit odd. So in essence a lot of the series in the 100s mark would be cut in half, sometimes cut into a third if it's a series with 3 segments per episode. (Though networks these days seem to be getting really cheap and sometimes only air one 11 minute segment as a 'new episode' rather than the traditional 30 minute episode with the two 11 minute shorts, much like Nickelodeon was really singty with Spongebob episodes and anytime they decided to air a new one they promoted it as some huge mega-event that needed weeks of hying up. Seems like they just draw out the seasons longer than they have to be)
I'm only focusing on the series aimed at children rather than short 13 episode adaptions of manga aimed at otaku. Pretty much all the long running series are aimed a kids and either based on a long-running manga, like WSJ stuff or a toyline like Yu-Gi-Oh and Vanguard.
This along with the season format is why I don't think shows last very long. Especially series with nasty politics behind them like superhero shows or Transformers. Those series usually get canned and rebooted every time the license changes hands or a new movie comes out. My original point was basically saying I doubt the Kaijudo cartoon could have promoted it's card game very long considering it was most likely, and indeed did, only last a few seasons, or 52-65 episodes. The idea a cartoon like it could last hundreds of episodes like Vanguard or Yu-Gi-Oh just doesn't seem possible in this market since all the marketing shows here only last a few seasons before being removed for some new re-branding of the toyline. |
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Snomaster1
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I liked "Megas XLR" a lot. I hope that it's brought back. As for "Kajiudo:Rise of the Duel Masters,"it was a good idea. The thing of having the monsters as real was a creative idea. Too bad it wasn't handled well. It could have worked if it was handled better.
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Guile
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Kaijudo was a card game show where no one played card games. I find that a very odd choice on their part.
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levonr
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Darrel Guilbeau said it was recorded and he is dieing for it to be released. They are "sitting on it for some reason". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27FMQx6doY I read that the dub did air in Philippines Cartoon Network: http://zph.proboards.com/thread/581 I assume after it failed to be released in the US they went with Philippines Cartoon Network so it didn't go to waste. |
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PusoPimp
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Now, why was is exactly that they weren't able to do this with Cyborg 009? I actually own an Uncut DVD with the first several episodes but as far as I can tell that was the only release of it. I loved Megas personally, being a Jersey guy myself I actually found it oddly relateable....few works of fiction have gotten that right like Megas lol. It was a fun love letter to anime too yes, the Sailor Moon episode was one of my favorites :p. A lot of the American cartoons since the resurrection have become some of my favorite failures, Sym Bionic Titan, ThunderCats 2011 and Beware the Batman specifically. A lot of the big failures seem to be gone and hard to rewatch so I vaguely remember a lot of them always (I started watching in 2002 I believe). I believe this aired there, a good series I felt like didn't make a lot of waves was the '03 Astro Boy series. I haven't seen it in years though, so can't say how well it holds up now. |
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GVman
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I know the English dub version of the '03 Astro Boy series had some script changes. Apparently, the execs felt Astro was too different from a US superhero, and wanted to change that during the localization.
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XtremeAnimeDan
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I'm going to answer one of the question asked in the article, and I don't care if I get mocked for it. Yes, I watched D.I.C.E. Now I'm sure some people may ask why would you watch such a horrible show, and the answer is relatively simple. I watched it because it was so bad that it made me laugh. I'm not ashamed to admit that I own the season 1 & season 2 (yes, there was a season 2 that never aired in the US) series sets.
I'll also point out that Eyeshield 21 would have made it in the US had they not edited out so much of Hiruma's true characterization. Removing the guns & blackmail, as well as merging 2 or 3 episodes into a single episode, truly hurt Eyeshield 21. If it were to be dubbed, I'd want to see it in its true form. And to provide a brief correction to the article, Eyeshield 21's anime was always made by the NFL. The manga its based off of wasn't. However the anime has the NFL in the closing credits because they helped furnish making the series. If only SOMEONE would do an Eyeshield 21 OVA and actually FINISH the series, I'd truly be happy. In the meantime I can watch all the episodes legally on Crunchyroll. |
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BadNewsBlues
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The new CG series is about Leo,Raph,Mikey, Donny,Splinter, & April with a dash of Casey Jones.
It probably would've gotten a mention if not for originating on Adult Swim and getting death slotted but I guess that was a better fate than what happened to stuff like MAR, Prince Of Tennis, & Bobobobobo. |
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jlaking
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Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo got a complete run on Toonami, I would that is a better fate than what YYH got. |
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taster of pork
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Zoids: Chaotic Century is one of the series I really, really wish would get a uncut, subbed dvd or blu-ray release. Seeing as how it didn't do so well, I guess I'll have to keep dreaming.
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jr240483
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which is what i was saying. that was the dub version that animax did and that aired on the eastern side of CN like in the philippines and austraila. I'm afraid that no US company got the chance to do it though. however i definitely know darrel wanted the series to be dubbed and released but considering all the hub bub with the franchise owners and it was at the same time that toonami was singing its swan song, it wouldnt surprised me if they halted productions. though its unknowned whether or not if one was produced by a US or Canada dubbing studio. hopefully we would get an answer during the franchise's anniversary since they probably gonna have a panel either for this year or next year's conventions. |
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levonr
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No animax didn't dub it. Salami Studios in Hollywood dubbed it. The show was dubbed in the US for a planned US stream. After the stream was canceled it aired in Philippines Cartoon Network which had a fast food toy deal with Zoids Genesis from what I read. Darrel Guilbeau didn't say he wanted the series to be dubbed, he was listing the characters he voiced and when he came to Seijuro from Zoids Genesis he was baffled it was never released in America since it was done years ago. What franchise anniversary panel? |
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