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jymmy
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Recently, Matarou in Kill la Kill got penis and balls, and one of the girls on the Momotarou episode of Ai Mai Mi!'s second season got a vagina-drawn-as-straight-line when she popped out of the peach as a baby. But yeah, you probably wouldn't see the episodes of Dragon Ball with Goku naked in quite the same way nowadays. EDIT: extremely NSFW hyperlinks to disgusting, gratuitous animated child nudity added Last edited by jymmy on Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:03 am; edited 1 time in total |
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whiskeyii
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At the risk of sounding like a dunce, can someone explain this bit to me? Is there something unsavory about the way Japan makes porn? o_O |
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CoreSignal
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I hear this a lot too, and I usually tell them not to be so lazy I'm kidding, but unfortunately, the average person doesn't want to watch anything that requires the slightest effort. On the other hand, one of the reasons I got into anime is because of the serial storytelling format. Sure, a lot of recent shows like Battlestar Galactica, Walking, Game of Thrones etc. have continuous storylines, but anime has been doing this for 30+ plus years. Unfortunately, the whole "anime are still cartoons" attitude is really an unfortunate byproduct of all the stereotypes about animation. |
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Knoepfchen
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Exactly what comes to my mind every time someone mentions how anime has so much more gracious fanservice than US TV shows. And, let's be honest, while I enjoy that show quite a bit, it wouldn't be half as popular without the gore (also used in extremely fanservicy proportions) and naked ladies. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Of course--I think that fan material is a vast source of potential talent. I wouldn't have written so much on this thread about this topic if I didn't feel so strongly about it. The root of it all, however, is that American entertainment companies see fan-material as either competition (that is, they are seen as taking awya from audience attention) or a potential source of distorting the public image of an IP (Disney is still very active in preventing this from happening to characters from Tinkerbell and Frozen as porn of them keep appearing). Well, that and how some of these companies have rogue lawyers looking for something to do. It would be very nice to have more American entertainment companies acknowledge the presence and talent of people who make fan-material outside of the comic book business. It would require a business head who doesn't have a very low opinion of fan-material creators and is progressive enough to understand there ARE people with talent among them, and it's more effective to recruit than to defeat (something we've all seen with fansubbers). Well, these are the perspectives I've observed being within the American movie business, at least.
Anime ARE cartoons. They're a type of cartoon. They just span a wide age range, which is not understood by people who grew up in eras dominated by Saturday Morning animation and Disney movies. I do think the western mainstream has become attentive enough to watch serial television, even if not everyone fully understands what's going on. The big thing about all this, and how long anime's been doing things serially, however, is attitudes of the people running the TV stations. For some reason beyond my comprehension, TV schedulers love to rerun shows in random episode order. For this reason, writers are constrained so that the show will still make sense in any order (the pilot and the final episodes often being exceptions). Reruns are rare on Japanese television, which means episodes will always air in a certain order. That allows the writers to make serial narratives, or if episodic, strong continuity and references to previous episodes. I still remember the disaster when the WB! Networks tried to air Dragon Ball Z. They showed episodes from all over the series and jumped back and forth, then canned it after one week. There would be a Cell episode one day, then a Namek episode the next. Last edited by leafy sea dragon on Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:23 am; edited 1 time in total |
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walw6pK4Alo
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It's that sue-happy nature, regardless of whether it's pornographic or not, that at least contributes to why we have no robust independent comic scene. I assume we do and it's probably miniscule, and rarely does any artist make it big or get noticed, and they're probably online publications.
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SquadmemberRitsu
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One thing I found kind of messed up is that they censored naked children during the TV broadcast of Mirai Nikki but had them uncensored for the DVD/BD release.
It's like 'Thanks for buying the Blu-ray! Here's some uncensored gangrape, decapitations, naked tits and crudely drawn little boy penises!'. |
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leafy sea dragon
Posts: 7163 Location: Another Kingdom |
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No, I think it's the nature of the American entertainment industry as a whole: They don't want to make allies. They want to crush their perceived enemies. You can see this most clearly when television was new and started becoming popular: Film studios, although they could have easily adapted to make television programming, instead chose to fight television with what they believed were improved viewing experiences, such as 3-D and the infamous Smell-O-Vision. (On the other hand, most the radio broadcasters back then moved on to television, such as RKO and CBS, and they thrived.) There are other examples too, such as the stage theater industry's attempt to wipe out the novel business in the 19th century, the scare that brought about the Comics Code Authority, and the still-lingering mistrust of the Internet by a lot of people in the film, TV, and print media. |
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Stretch2424
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I used to think that fanservice was a perfectly healthy feature of a less puritan culture. But it is so pervasive that nowadays I think it is just a shortcut. Good writing and good jokes require talent, which is expensive, but anybody can embellish an anime with fanservice, which pleases young male viewers in a cheap and easy manner.
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Mohawk52
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ParaChomp
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As for fan service, it's porn (definition 1) whether you like it or not. As long as it doesn't disrupt the flow or is the show's main selling point, I don't mind it. Regardless there's still not enough balance in the mainstream and disrupts the equality we strive for. |
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CoreSignal
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When I said cartoons, yeah, I was also referring to Disney and saturday morning cartoons like Tom & Jerry and Looney Tunes. Its really bad too that most people have it ingrained in their minds that animation/cartoon automatically means its either a kids show or a comedy show (like Family Guy). Although I hope thats changing with shows like Avatar and Korra.
Seriously, this discourages people even more for trying to follow a show. Then again, I'm sure most TV networks can't be bothered to air episodes in the correct order. |
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Chagen46
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What? We may not have a doujin scene, but to say that we have no independent comic scene is patently wrong. For one: webcomics are still comics (inb4 "all webcomics are shit") and are basically all independent by definition. And people still publish independent comics, I asked my parents for Seconds by Bryan Lee O'Malley for my upcoming birthday. |
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Guile
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There are a lot of western shows I could see being a live-action anime. There was an old show called Weird Science about two geeks who create their own hot computer woman and bring her to life. It'd fit right in with similar anime. I also remember Baywatch was pretty infamous for its gratuitous fanservice.
Avatar and Korra are still children's cartoons though. Aside from their more serial nature compared to other kids cartoons, they don't really help break the stigma. Especially with how poor Korra has been doing in the ratings and they're now burning the last season off online. I think Korra's failure will only justify more episodic and comedy shows from networks. People dont want serial stories out of cartoons in the west. |
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Shippoyasha
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Heh, those are just cute and funny to me. But really, I wish nudity wasn't such a huge deal as to be censor worthy. It was a real trip back in the day when stuff with even middle/highschooler character nudity wasn't a big deal and even pretty mainstream content. A lot of my older relatives barely flinch at modern day fanservice because they have seen non censored content before. And I grew up as a toddler watching shows that would be considered for adults today. It was just all in good fun for me. |
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