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ikillchicken wrote:

This is a big, serious, AAA game that's obviously trying to tell a real story and be so much more than dumb porn for men

You're talking about a series with immortal gay vampires and female bosses who moan everytime you hit them and then you can do a gravure photoshoot with them afterwards. MGS has never been a serious game.

Final Fantasy x-2 has an all-female playable characters. I guess people forgot about that.

Final Fantasy x-2 has an all-female playable characters. I guess people forgot about that.

MGS has always had its own.......weird sense of humor, but that doesn't take away the fact the games are very often trying to tell serious stories of war.

I guess what gets to me is how backwards the playable cast is compared to XIII especially since it gave the opportunity to even have a lead female. Now that chance is seemingly squandered and the series looks "bad" thanks to Toriyama's direction.

ikillchicken's two posts seem to suggest there is a false bifurcation afoot. Something is either unapologetic tripe without any merit, or it's a aspiring work of art free from nonconformist attributes. In actuality, most things are probably somewhere in the middle.

Fart jokes, supernatural villains, and fourth-wall breaking aren't enough to ruin a serious story, but a woman's cleavage (something we've had in every game before this) is? It seems really odd.

belvadeer wrote:

All-male cast? Let the inherent sexist wars begin again! ...I'm kidding of course, but I'm sure someone's bound to make a stink about it

The truly ironic thing is an all male cast of bishounen would draw more female players than actually shoe-horning in female characters which is usually what these people rally for. People are calling in Fujoshi Fantasy XV for a reason, so if we see people start to complain about it not being inclusive to female players I'm going to laugh pretty hard. Sometimes I wonder if these people know just what appealing to women can actually include.

The companion system sounds interesting, though it leads to some hiccups like mentioning not letting Ocelot be a companion. Though since the companions can die for good, it would cause a time paradox so I understand why. I'll probably be sticking with Quiet for the most part anyway.

-Stuart Smith.

Lavnovice9 wrote:

Kojima said he intented Quiet to be an interesting enough design for girls to cosplay

• The character I asked Yoji to make it more erotic, this one may not be cosplayable.
  
  — HIDEO_KOJIMA (@HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN) September 4, 2013

He just wants to see girls in leather thong outfits.
(Though some cons may refuse entry without covering up.)

One of the key features about "FOX Engine", here's the transparent technique. See-thru underwear. http://t.co/r4Md7cyg

• Kojima then adds that characters should be well characterized as he learned from watching films like Max Max and Mad Max 2.

IanC wrote:

MGSV: part two has a dog in it. With an eye patch? Game of the year there.

Ripping off Naruto!



The original Snake:

I disagree, strawberry-kun. You don't make a certain story and weigh the entirety of gaming as to why you can't make an all male case in a game.

Also, Versus-13 (FF15's former title) was originally made to be a spinoff of the FF13 line of games.

Also, FFX-2 is a mainline game and it is not a gimped game at all.

Again, weighing all of gaming to what a single project wants to accomplish isn't fair. You can't just weigh things on a scale that if you don't check off a list of representation, it's 'regressive'. It doesn't work that way.

Firstly, I never said that they weren't allowed to make any game they want. They are free to do just that. That does not mean that they are free from criticism.

Secondly, using that logic, you can't criticize any individual game for any problems that the industry has.

Thirdly, I meant more that it was a step back in variety for the Final Fantasy franchise rather than gaming in general.

Fourthly, I have yet to see a good reason why Final Fantasy XV is a no girls allowed clubhouse. The only reason against it is that the game's focus on brotherly bonds. Okay? And you can't have that focus with any kind of female party members present? It sounds like a stupid reason to me.

Okay. You are free to criticize away. But it just seems to be hopping aboard the latest way of making everything tinted in a modern day gender wars to me. It's been the hot topic in gaming that's for sure.

I'm not saying people aren't allowed to criticize. It just sounds condemning without any recourse. It's just 'regressive, it's bad, the end'. That doesn't really sound like something people can discuss things around.

And not sure why it's suddenly a 'backwards step' when FF games have always been open to having female protagonists. It's not like they're making a statement that they won't have female protags. FF13 was distinctly Lightning's trilogy to boot.

Also, the game will have pretty important female characters as plot important characters.

I honestly don't see how it's 'regressive' whether they have all female or all male representation. I don't think it's fair just to say 'it doesn't have so and so' and just check it off the list and it's suddenly 'regressive'. I think that doesn't really leave any room for interpretation unless you are so dead set on seeing it as regressive. That's fine if you think that way. But that just sounds like speaking in buzzwords.

And I am not sure how it's regressive if they choose a certain direction for a game. I don't believe doing so is automatically sending some politicized message like 'it's a boys club now'. That's just an incredible level of very negative, politicized projection on it. It's borderline conspiratorial.

I'm just sick of playing as guys all the time. Like I said earlier, I'm sure it sounds weird, but I like to play as female characters.

Eh, it's just people having different opinions. I think the all male cast is bad. I doubt anyone could convince me otherwise. Others feel differently. It's just one of those subjects that people get kinda crazy about where neither side is likely to budge.

That's exactly the problem for me. Final Fantasy has nearly always had a varied cast. Most of my favorite characters in the franchise are female. That's why it's so disappointing for me.

Like I said, I see it differently. Final Fantasy has been a series that has had mixed casts for every mainline game since the first one. This one doesn't. To me, it's understandable why people would be frustrated about that.