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Rahxephon91
Posts: 1859 Location: Park Forest IL. |
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Todd is'nt my buddy. I was only trying to explain my take away from what he said. What do you mean people like me? Do you mean people as you described in your first post?
Well first you attempted to make a really bad over generalization and then tried to claim that those who have a different view of things are being immature. The irony here is the only one being immature here is you. As your posts just read like a whinny child yelling at ghosts that aren't there. Complete with un-needed insults and spouts of irrational diatribe. I'm not opposing any bit of fanservice and neither is Todd. His problem was with the fanservice of one show. My problem with fanservice is with one show as well. It's not even a problem, just a thing to point out.
http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/35300000/Nami-w-one-piece-35335894-1440-810.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/Conekiller/NamiMovie4.jpg http://qualityanimu.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/robin-are-you-doing-that-on-purpose.jpg http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/T-TfLzBMUkQ/maxresdefault.jpg http://anime-fanservice.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=78&pid=1486#top_display_media http://anime-fanservice.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=1391&pid=46167#top_display_media Those breasts are pretty fantasy big and unrealistically perky and on extremely slender bodies. Exaggerated fine and there's nothing wrong with them. The manga artist is a guy so he drew what he likes. No problem really, but they are they there and they are emphasized. It's fanservice no matter how you slice it.
I don't have to watch One piece to see that it's added buxom characters for male delight to it's show. I can see the art work. You seem to think that I think one Piece is now a fanservice show just because it was incredible big breasted characters and has no shame in highlighting that. I don't and I don't really care that it does that. What I realize though is some people (like Todd) may not like that and think it didn't need to be added. The problem is people like you attempt to over think that and make a bigger thing out of it. Ironic considering you claimed you hate when people make a big deal out of fanservice. Todd wasn't. You have.
And um....
The irony of this statement is you later say:
If Todd thinks somethings bad. Guess what? That dosen't mean he has an issue. perhaps take your own advice.
And unjustified opinion? Again, you seem to think I'm trashing One piece or fanservice. I'm not. I explained why maybe Todd did'nt like it, in one instance. Jesus, learn to goddamn read.
Yet, I'm the jerk off. Ok. That's also really creepy that you looked me up and then felt the need to post my real name. Thanks. All the while comparing my opinions of "yeah sometimes I don't like fanservice" to Hitler. I'm the jerk off though. Ok. No I'd rather not meet a whining child in real life, because thats what you are. Also yes, in DMC4 they did further up Lady's sex appeal. I mean they are clearly trying to make sexualy attractive characters in DMC4. For Dante maybe that meant a chizzled face. For Lady that meant a bigger emphasis on her boobs and thighs. Last edited by Rahxephon91 on Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:01 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Juno016
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Rehxephon91, I don't mean to discredit your feelings or views, but I'm not sure that fighting fire with fire is going to make your opponent listen to what you have to say...
Yeah, which is why the censorship is limited only to the boxart. At least the game itself is not censored, which, if it were, would probably cause a much different discussion here. |
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CrownKlown
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I like how there is no problem with Nami being a slave, like during the Arlong arc. But as soon as a 20 year old fully clothed but happens to have large breast it becomes a problem.
I will admit Robin has changed, but Nami has been this way since the beginning of the show. She is a con artist, she uses everything to get her way including herself, she even did it with Luffy when she first met. So to start complaining about this now, years down the road is nonsensical. Also Nami's breast aren't that far fetched. She is on the large side, but still within reason. If you want to whine about large breast, there are plenty of shows that have ten year old kids with breast bigger than hers. If you complained about those, okay. |
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Zelgadis_Knight
Posts: 12 Location: Portland, OR |
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I see it as Oda art style, it don't bug me that much. Because the outside don't matter to me, only the inside matter. Saying that, Nami have been down graded to a somewhat of a fan service character. She don't do that much anymore, she just sit around and look pretty. I hope Oda redeem her character like what he did with Sanji. But Robin been pretty good character wise, wish she do more Do hope Oda tone down the fan service, but reading the SBS he probably won't anytime soon Anyway, I don't care about the censor. As long as they don't cut anything out of the game, I'll be ok |
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gloverrandal
Posts: 406 Location: Oita |
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Some people are not fond of sex and fanservice. I can accept that. What I don't understand is the kind of people who act like the creators are forced to do it. The people who say things like they have to put it in their game or anime because it's all that sells or saying otaku rule the market and other similar fallacies. They never consider the possibility that these products have sexuality in them because the creators want it in their work, or in their culture it's just norm not to make a big deal out of seeing a woman with a low cut shirt or something so it's a total non-issue.
Though to be honest it's not like it's just a Japanese thing either. Even in American culture, now that it's summer, I see tons of women wearing shorts which are literally flossing their butt, and very low cut spaghetti strap tank tops. All things consider the women of One Piece dress fairly conservative compared to a lot of the women here. I don't see how people can get up in arms about media when it just reflects the society it was created in. A woman wearing a halter top is totally fine but when a fictional woman does it it's suddenly a problem? Maybe it's just me but that doesn't make much sense. |
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toddc
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I'm a bit more critical of One Piece than, say, High School of the Dead or Final Boob Quest EX, because One Piece is a mainstream series with a fair amount of younger readers and an appeal that lies beyond T&A and violence. That makes it a little more insulting when One Piece openly panders.
I have nothing against sexuality in media, especially not when it serves a purpose other than titillation, but it feels out of place in something like One Piece. Also, NISA just announced Firefly Diary for the fall. Good timing. |
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eragon2890
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I love highschool of the dead and other ecchi harem shows (highschool D FTW!) and have posters of them in my room, but I really don´t get your logic. Precisely because it´s a mainstream show it has some sexy characters. The vast majority of people like o see their characters like that. For most anime fans, it makes the series a whole lot more attractive, and it´s not out of place at all. It simply adds some extra visual appeal which most people find attractive. I love when an anime has some fanservice as an extra, gives me an extra reason to fanboy over the characters. If I have only got enough money to buy one show out of two I´ve watched online, they´re both just as good, but when has sexy chickes and pantsu shots and the other doesn ´t, then I know which one I´m buying And given that it´s really just added for some fluffy ´ooh sexy´ appeal, it´s never out of place, except in series which deal in extremely heavy subject matter at their base - ie I wouldn´t want to see it in say, hidashi no gen, or something like that. But in one piece or the like? Nah, there have always been tons of sexy chicks/dudes in these shows, Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Fairy Tail (ERZA!!!! I love her!), etc. so it´s A) not out of place since it´s to be expected in the genre, and B) not going away anytime soon because most people like it, so live with it. Otherwise off course, I would just have to go watch more shows like highschool of the dead and highschool DxD (which already make up a high percentage of anime sales), and buy all of them to support fanservice. But if all the perverts started doing that, the sales advantage of including fanservice would increase even more. And it´s already high enough to make highschool DxD one of the more popular shows out there which is now gonna get a third season lol. |
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CrownKlown
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With all due respect, you sound like someone who has never actually viewed the work, merely comment on its outer appearance. One Piece has some very dark elements, which range from the aforementioned slavery to thing like human experimentation, even on kids (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar_Clown). Naruto has the same thing, and even Bleach to some degree. I mean Orochimaru is about one step away from being a pedophile, if he is not one already. So with all due respect, a few characters with large breast are not the tipping point that children need to be saved from given some of the harsher elements of the work. |
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Seiru
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I wasn't too interested in the game or for a domestic release on that matter but just this..You just made me want this game now. Also those Bubble Bobble plush were an instant buy from me. And finally,still going to buy htoL#NiQ when it comes out.Something tells me that the story will make me want to play over and over,I hope I'm right.Didn't know that it was a hard game though,but damn I'm going to be screaming at myself whenever I kill Mion. |
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IanC
Posts: 685 Location: Essex, England |
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My UK Wii U disc copy of One Piece: Unlimited World Red has A: boobs on the cover and B: is an actual disc release. With a bonus DLC voucher.
So, erm, yea. Woohoo, i guess? I mean its not like Bandai Namco edited the game to hide Nami's and Robin's awesome puppies, is it? |
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Guile
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Europe is more open minded than the US is from what I've seen of American culture, so that is not too surprising. Even the Australian release didn't change the cover, and Australia is very much for censorship in games.
It seems odd it's digital only for Wii U in America but the Vita gets a physical release. That seems strange, and a shame, because the Wii U is the definitive version I would say. I suppose I should consider myself lucky it got a physical release in Europe. |
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SynergyMan
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"Europe" is quite a broad term. Would you consider Poland, Russia, Latvia, Serbia, Slovenia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Albania to be more "open minded" than the US? Oh, and Japan and Europe are guilty of censoring our games as well. Please keep that in mind. |
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Rahxephon91
Posts: 1859 Location: Park Forest IL. |
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But what are you talking about? America is terrible and we should all make incredible informed and obviously all-encompassing generalizations of entire cultures and nations because of course they are 100% right, informed, and without any bias what so ever. |
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toddc
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I think the difference is that most of the "dark elements" you mention are essential to the story that the comic wants to tell, while the exaggerated breasts and wasp-waists really aren't. |
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Shippoyasha
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Good points all around. The thing is, the state of the female depiction has become a political landmine and an easy moment for soapboxing morality. It's become way over the top ever since social media has exploded within the last 3 or 4 years. Personally, I don't really care either way. And yeah, I don't see why artists just can't draw big boobs or make sexual characters because they LIKE doing that. It's art. Freedom of expression is a wonderful thing. Though some likely want to get in on a money making trend, drawing something and slaving tirelessly every day is still a work of passion. |
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