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Hi,

Does anyone know if they are going to produce any more Gundam Seed Destiny after "Stargazer" and "Destiny Final Plus"? Are there plans to continue?

ivorymoose wrote:

Hi, Does anyone know if they are going to produce any more Gundam Seed Destiny after "Stargazer" and "Destiny Final Plus"? Are there plans to continue?

I believe so assuming that this is a new part to the series. But then again it could be just one of those movie where they fix the ending to the story......and I am always suspect of Gundam movies.

Now, this is suspicious. Why would they produce a movie as a sequel to "Seed Destiny" and call the movie "Gundam Seed" without the word "Destiny".

Anything new must be a fresh start with the three characters Athrun, Shinn and Kira.

And perhaps it's not, but it's still a transition that needed to be seen. Some things are fine being left off-screen and inferred, but they're things meant to be vague in the first place. This transition was not vague, it was very apparent, and so to leave it unaccounted for is a rather unfortunate failing in the storytelling that results in Char's character development seeming decidedly awkward and lacking between Zeta and Char's Counterattack. The exact point Char lost faith in humanity, the methods he used to acquire his forces, these things can't simply be shrugged off without being detrimental to the story, not to mention it would've tremendously aided in building sympathy and intrigue for his character.

Personally, I think having Char stay in Double Zeta in order to off Haman and usurp her forces would've greatly benefitted both Double Zeta and Char's Counterattack, and would've tightened up the story a great deal. But instead, we get a pothole with crap filling it in.

They'll continue to produce Universal Centiry material for people in their 30s

Nagisa wrote:

And perhaps it's not, but it's still a transition that needed to be seen. Some things are fine being left off-screen and inferred, but they're things meant to be vague in the first place. This transition was not vague, it was very apparent, and so to leave it unaccounted for is a rather unfortunate failing in the storytelling that results in Char's character development seeming decidedly awkward and lacking between Zeta and Char's Counterattack. The exact point Char lost faith in humanity, the methods he used to acquire his forces, these things can't simply be shrugged off without being detrimental to the story, not to mention it would've tremendously aided in building sympathy and intrigue for his character. Personally, I think having Char stay in Double Zeta in order to off Haman and usurp her forces would've greatly benefitted both Double Zeta and Char's Counterattack, and would've tightened up the story a great deal. But instead, we get a pothole with crap filling it in.

I won't disagree that CCA is missing some time, but no more than Zeta Gundam was missing time between the original series and its own first episode. In the last episode of the original series, Amuro Ray is at peace and happy with the way things turned out as he floats towards the White Base crew. In Zeta, he's repressed and cold. They explain it by saying he's been under Federation guard, yes, but it's a bit of a throwaway explanation, just like Char's speech to the Neo Zeon fleet in CCA, which has the same effect of explaining his motivation as Amuro's talk with Fraw and Katz in Zeta (well, it was really Katz berating Amuro). You have to read between the lines, but you're right, Tomino could have been more explicit.

CCA would have benifited from some tightening, but I don't think there's anything that's "crap" about it - aside from maybe Quess and Hathaway, but even that serves a purpose. CCA is a great original Gundam movie.

And yeah, ZZ could have been so much better as to provide the transition between Zeta and CCA, but Tomino was in a weird period at the time. He always tries to "redeem" his darker works with lighter ones, and it isn't always necessary - although we do get Turn A out of it.

Nagisa wrote:

They'll continue to produce Universal Centiry material for people in their 30s

Or, you know, people with taste.

Although, considering the quality of the few UC productions as of late (UC manga, Z Gundam movies), that may not be so.

Still, better than the shallow SEED series.

I would not say seed destiny is targetted primarily at teenagers and it is not shalow. To me, SE is about war, reasons for war, loyalties, defections, faithfullness, ideals. It answers the questions such as "Whose side are you on if war breaks out?" and "Why do you fight?".

This series appeals to politicians and military personnels. It questions the soldier's creed of obeying orders without questions. These are deep philosophical questions even seasoned politicians cannot answer. I found the philosophical ideals of neutrality in war to be very childish and unrealistic.

Hence, I'm very annoyed by people who attempts to segragate anime based on age.

I look forward to the new movie in 2007, I'm very curious to see how they continue with the story.

SEED is ... melodramatic,

cookie-cutter mecha designs

shallow characters with little or no motivation (Rau),

re-used animation (in this era of animated programs, this is inexcusable),

and characters with unrealstic plot armor.

I don't recall those thousands if ridiculous slapping scenes and Sayla's "Casval-niisan!" moments being anything short of overblown ciche, either. And don't even get me started on Victory's bikini bombardment team or Kamille and Fa's little tifts.

Because the RX-78-2, RX-178, RX-93, RX-79[G], and RX-78NT-1 looked completely different. Gundams will look like Gundams, because outside of certain exceptions (okay, outside of Turn-A and a few G Gundam grunts), all Gundams share the same basic body type. If Buster and Blitz are "identical beyond their paint schemes," then I dread to know what you thought of Airmaster & X, or Wing Zero & Heavyarms, or even F91 & V-Dash.

Most of UC's characters were really no better.

Hell, we're never really told why Scirocco wanted to do anything beyond some ill-explained feminist musing, which automatically puts Raww one step above him for having motivation and not simply being smoke and mirrors and nothing underneath.

And Haman, as much as I love the girl, is really just a cunning megalomaniac who just wants to fly the Zeon flag.

Delaz? A rhetoric-driven puppet.

Gato? A rhetoric-driven puppet's rhetoric-driven puppet. Not a whole lot there.

In their respective debut series, Amuro and Kira both were really nothing more than whining, self-righteous little boys forced into a grown-ups' war because plot contrivance gave them both a valuable skill (granted, things changed in Zeta & Destiny). The only thing that separated them was that Kira lacked a spine and Amuro had too much temper. Lalah was just a goofy psychic duckgirl that the two leads could fight over.

Tomino's characters, outside of certain exceptions (okay, outside of Char) weren't exactly on the level of Dumas or Dostoyevsky, either. You can only do so much with characters in a boy's afternoon cartoon.

You don't watch much anime at all, do you? This is everywhere.

90% of anime's stylistic traits are the result of producers squeezing out the most animation on the least amount of money. You really think they all use speed lines and panning still shots because they want to?

and characters with unrealstic plot armor.

And a civilian boy who only manages to barely control a suit after reading a few pages of the manual managing to defeat four top military aces in mobile suit combat and fend off another, on top of that taking out several top secret military projects before fully comprehending his abilities doesn't have some sort of ridiculous plot armor? And no, his being a Newtype doesn't fly, because Tomino routinely uses that as a Deus Ex Machina whenever characters get in trouble just like Fukuda & Morosawa use Phase Shift & SEED Mode, and just like Ikeda used that damnable Zero System & Gundanium Armor.

Gundam's great and all, but at least give all of them a fair critique. With the problems you have with SEED, I can't even begin to figure out what you see in the old UC Gundam titles short of some rose-colored nostalgia factor.

It aired in a late afternoon timeslot historically reserved for middle school boys' anime series, it frequently had contests based on it whose typical entries were between the ages of 9 and 12, much of its merchandise was aimed at kids, and its political themes are base and simplistic at best. Other children's anime have tackled political themes to far greater success (Fullmetal Alchemist, for example).

The man who greenlit the show and oversaw its production has outright stated that it is meant for a tween and young teenage crowd. How can you argue with that?

You aren't even getting characters' and mobile suits' names right half the time.

Yzan

This is my only actual inaccuracy