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Hitsu



Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:35 pm Reply with quote
I'm watching another awesome anime called Hikaru no Go. I'm up to episode 13 right now, but I don't really get the rules and the main goal of the game. I thought it was to get as many as stones as you can get by enclosing the other player or to get as much territory. Also, what is the "Hand of God?"
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unhealthyman



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:29 pm Reply with quote
I personally love Hikaru no go, and some knowledge of the game is helpful, although not essential. To put it really basically, you get 1 point for each stone you capture, but you also get a point for each piece of territory you enclose, so the game is more about territory than taking other peoples pieces.

It's a pretty complex game, so I'll just link you a tutorial:
(the first one is pretty basic but interactive, the second one is a link to a kind of wikipedia of Go information.)

http://playgo.to/interactive/
http://senseis.xmp.net/?RulesOfGoIntroductory

If you actually want to get the hang of playing (after you have read the rules,) go to http://www.gokgs.com and prepare to lose your first 20-50 games without even realising why. Wink

The hand of god is kind of the theoretical perfect play, because in Go, (unlike in chess,) there is very rarely, if ever, a perfect move and never a perfect game. It is the one game that has proven very difficult for people to program a computer that can play at any decent standard either.

Hikaru no go was one of the last animes I watched obsessively (like just episode after episode without even noticing how many I was watching.)
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selenta
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:15 pm Reply with quote
unhealthyman wrote:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?RulesOfGoIntroductory

If you actually want to get the hang of playing (after you have read the rules,) go to http://www.gokgs.com and prepare to lose your first 20-50 games without even realising why. Wink

The hand of god is kind of the theoretical perfect play, because in Go, (unlike in chess,) there is very rarely, if ever, a perfect move and never a perfect game. It is the one game that has proven very difficult for people to program a computer that can play at any decent standard either.


I'm also going to have to confess my undying love for the game, although several months ago I got tired of losing repeatedly on kgs and decided to 'take a break' if you will. I would highly highly highly suggest spending some time browsing sensei's database. It has so much stuff it's not even funny, so many situations are covered I haven't even gone through 1/10th of it. Yeah... the computer programs for Go are pretty sad, the complexity of the strategy is completely different from chess, which makes it difficult to program. There just simply aren't that many possible moves for chess, but in Go, there are far too many for a computer to manually read ahead. When I can beat nearly any Go program in the world, and I am far from even being competitive with many people, it's safe to say the computers aren't too good.

If you really want to get the basics of play down once you think you know the rules, there's a little program called igowin that they used to have linked from the main kgs site. Since they took it down... I'll provide this link instead. I play this constantly as each game will only take me about a minute or two, it's a great way to kill time when burning a cd or something. I can't seem to pass 1 or 2 dan consistently though Anime cry

EDIT: fyi, igowin is around 800k, so it's really darn small. Also, it's not a full sized board, it's on a 9x9 board, so it's good practice for local and corner battles; even for medium level players.
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blind_assassin



Joined: 07 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:46 pm Reply with quote
Ha, I got into the same deal with Mahjong over Akagi. Why is it that asia has lots of games that are similar to western ones but they're usually so much more complicated? I mean, Mahjong is pretty similar to poker but it's about 3 times as complicated (5 times if you're playing Chinese official).
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Hitsu



Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:00 pm Reply with quote
Thanks for the links and info. I thougth playing go was going to be easy after reading the rules and basic strategies. I didn't even know what to make for my first move on yahoo games. It's so confusing and complicate, but I'm so interested on playing this game. Anyone wants to play a game of Go?
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bahumut75



Joined: 08 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:17 pm Reply with quote
I too fell in love with the game of Go, and it was Hikaru that introduced it to me Shocked

It IS a really hard game to learn, and I've been playing at my college's go club for a while, and its really amazing to see how good the "good" players are. We have a few people in the Dan ranks who attend, and recently we had some profesionals from Japan come on like a special visit, and i got "tutored" if you can call one game and some life and death problems tutoring, from an 8 Dan - it was amazing.
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dormcat
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:35 pm Reply with quote
Hitsu wrote:
I thougth playing go was going to be easy after reading the rules and basic strategies.

Fact: unlike chess, right now there's no program can play Go as good as any experienced human Go player.
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AirCooledMan_2006



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:08 pm Reply with quote
After checking out these tutorials, Go seems fun. Smile
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bahumut75



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:01 pm Reply with quote
It really is, and if you want to get started playing some games on kgs or elsewhere online probably isn't a bad palce to start, but there really isn't a substitute from playing and analyzing games with real people. Unfortunately, Go isn't exactly very popular around the states, and it might be kind of hard to FIND a place to play it (honestly I dont know how many schools have clubs for it but the one at my school is actually rather big). Even if you aren't a student somewhere you might want to check out local colleges, there are a fair number of people who attend our meetings who aren't students here.

Edit:
Actually here is a link for search-ation of go clubs and such Shocked

http://www.usgo.org/cgi-bin/chapters.cgi
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linlinchan



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:50 am Reply with quote
blind_assassin wrote:
Ha, I got into the same deal with Mahjong over Akagi. Why is it that asia has lots of games that are similar to western ones but they're usually so much more complicated? I mean, Mahjong is pretty similar to poker but it's about 3 times as complicated (5 times if you're playing Chinese official).


Haha, same.
And now I play it obsessively.
It's so much more fun than poker, to me, however. Perhaps because of this complexity and the sort of chance involved.
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Cyborg 009



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:24 pm Reply with quote
On Toonami Jetstream, I think they have a series of two videos that explaing Go. I personally love this game. (Anime too.)
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