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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Ok I'm gonna go out on a limb and start this thread. Since the AD swim one met with a lock becuase people couldn't act like adults. I had some nice points to post and didn't get the chance so here we are. As the title says this is for CIVIL discussion not flammers, and I mean civil on the part of everyone, even mods. I agree with Nagisa, if you can't take someone's opinion if it differs frm your own then leave. However, those differences should be brought up in a civil way and not someone yelling or flamming. We should all act like adults. If you're not an actual adult but want to post and sound informative as if you are one then by god act like one. Now lets see if we can debate this civily. I like the show(hence why I started this thread). I don't give a pixies butt what others think. I LIKE IT!! People can disagree with me and say it's crap that's fine. Everyone is titled to their opinions, as I'm sure I don't like some shows you all do like. I like the show because to me it's fun. I don't expect it to be deep in any way like Hellsing or Tsukihime (which is a damn good show). I watch it for it's simplicity. It's a guilty pleasure, action anime and that's what I watch it for. If I want depth I watch Kino's Journey or Haibane Renmei. Yes, there are faults within the show, even I admit that. I however do not let that stop me from enjoying it for the simple pleasure I get from watching it. If you don't, that's your opinion. I agree with Lapis, this show should be judged by it's own accord and not by other shows similar. Yes, Vash and ABel are pretty much clones. So what? Plenty of other shows have similar characters but yet they're still their own unique show, as is Trinity Blood. You should judge it on its own merits, or its own faults. Not those of others. If you think it's crap then so be it, but judge it that way because of its own faults and let downs. There's also nothing wrong with sticking up for a show you like, as Lapis did. I stick up for every show I like, even if it is complete crap to others and everyone hates it (Fatal Fury movies). Again, do it civily though without yelling and name calling. I have a few more points but I wanna hear what others think about the show and I'll respond accordingly. Aso, beyond just being civil be intelligent here. Make it CLEAR why you don't, or do, like Trinity Blood so we can all discuss it in a polite fashion. |
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TwobloodAX
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Ok I think this Is one of the best anime shows I've ever seen.That is obviously just my opinion but It has action,suspence,horror,even some nudity.Even though thats not what makes it great lol some people enjoy that.I live in the US in Arizona,i would apprecaite it if somone could reply about the DVDs coming out here and when so I can go buy them.Thanks.
[EDIT: No need to quote the entire post, it just takes up more space. -TK] |
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saikori
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Hey Twoblood AX,
You can buy Trinity Blood V1 anywhere now. It released last month. (Probably cheapest online like deepdiscountdvd.com or right stuf.) I have Volume 1 but haven't watched it yet. I did see the first episode and really liked what I saw so far! I like Vampires (and of course Anime) so I am pretty sure this is one I'll dig too. Although I have heard good things about Hellsing and haven't seen that one yet either. I'll probably check that out too. One thing I do really like about Trinity Blood is the character's and the outfits. They are really interesting and detailed. I saw some sweet cosplayers at AX. (I think ACParadise is doing a Trinity Blood costume contest too.)  If I ever get into cosplay I'd love to make one of the Trinity Blood Costumes.
Anyway this is one series I'm excited about. |
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blind_assassin
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I stopped watching Trinity Blood at about episode 17-18. The show was not original and had a very "so what" attitude about it. Since the over arching plot is simply "someone wants to kill an important person for the sake of war" I just kind of yawned at the whole presentation.
My only actual gripe with the show is how cliched it is. Derivitive plot aside, it has some of the most cliched characters out there. Well known among some members of the forum, I have an extreme distaste for most things cliched and for the split-personality type hero that doesn't want to hurt anyone archetype. Unfortunately, Trinity blood is full of cliche and has my most hated character archetype as its main character. Abel is just a rehashed Vash or Kenshin. He doesn't want to hurt anyone because he lost someone important so he has to house all his fighting power in a largely sperate personality that only comes out when someone is going to die. That said, the show is neither good nor bad. It's just about the equivalent of a movie based video game. Technically nothing wrong with it but with the medium packed with so many better alternatives it just isn't worth my time. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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That would be the one problem I do have with the show, the cliches. It does borrow HEAVILY from others but I still think it has it's own good points. Despite other's opinions I like a lot of the location setting for the episodes. Nightroad isn't my favorite character so I try and focus on the characters I do like. |
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blind_assassin
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^Thinking back to the Fall Anime Preview section, I'd say that Trinity Blood falls under that "fast-food of anime" sort of section. It produces standard material but standard isn't preclusive to entertaining.
And personally, I didn't mind the whole Vatican thing. I usually don't like it when historical things (especially ones that still exist) get turned into something about the supernatural and stuff but for some reason I found that it was pulled off without being too irritating to me. Partly because it was mainly just the name that was used rather than attempting to maintain some sort of semblence of realism. |
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Deltakiral
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Personally I really enjoyed how the Vatican (And it's sub-political parts.) was a part of the show. But overall Trinity Blood does suffer from Berserk's case. Those of you who know what Berserk did to us at the end will get an idea of how Trinity Blood sort of finishes. Trinity Blood could be great, but it never really got into some of the other arc that help make this series unique. But I doubt that will ever happen, so if you really want to get more from Trinity Blood you have to try to get the novel or Manga....I believe both were licensed this con year. Delta |
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darkchibi07
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But didn't the creator for Trinity Blood died recently which led to an incomplete story or something? Of course that also could explain why Bushilord got massively delayed.
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omar235
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I hope he didn't die...as for Trinity Blood, I did like the first 10 of so episodes (waiting for it to catch up on the TV so I can continue to watch it) and did notice the extream cliches but the truth is it didn't bother me that much. I mean theres worse out there and I'll watch anything with vampires in it and of course I love the character designs of the female characters (if thats even a valid reason to like a show
 ). I did however find the spoiler[Peter Pan theme was really "lame" and very stupid...I mean come on what was that, really ] but after that it got good again and I continue to watch it. Though if it ends like Beserk then I can already tell I will be slightly displeased but I wiill watch it just to see the events unfold in the later episodes. 
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Richard J.
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Anyway, I've found myself liking Trinity Blood. Although it is cliche, I feel that it does manage to be interesting and entertaining in spite of that. The idea of a post-war world where things turned so apocalyptic that it resulted in a massive drop in technology is actually very interesting to me. It's a theme of actual history that large wars and social collapses result in things just like this. (After the Roman Empire collapsed a lot of scientific knowledge was lost. And think about all the things that were lost when the Library at Alexandria was destroyed.) Also, while Abel Nightroad is a little too much like Vash, there is a nice difference in that he really does get angry. And he kills if it's necessary. Vash was so much of a pacifist, at least in the anime, that he had to be spoiler[mind controled into killing. He wasn't willing to kill even when the alternative would have been to watch Meryl and Milly die (probably after terrible things happened to them.)] Abel actually can and will kill, rather brutally I might add, when he needs to. The fact that he tries so hard like Vash to reach a peaceful solution annoys me since I'm very much not a pacifist. More interesting to me are the other characters around Abel, like Father Hugue (okay, technically he isn't "around" much but you get what I'm saying) and the young pope. The character designs for the females are especially nice as well, which is always of importance to me since I'm a guy. Overall, while Trinity Blood isn't my favorite show ever, it's a good one in my opinion (so far, I'm watching it first time on [as] so who knows if my feelings will change.) |
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omar235
Posts: 1572 Location: Florida, Jacksonvile |
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I think the fight started simply because L3 isn't used to the way Nagisa puts things. He may sound like an elitest but he was just stateing his opinion on the show...his word choices were there to only help get his opinion across. Could he have been a bit more subtle? yes...Does he have to so he doesn't anger anyone? no. I wouldn't get so angery at people bashing a series as long as they give decent reasons since that occurs alot here (thats called a opinion) just stay cool and relaxed and let people say what they want. If you like a paticular series thats fine though theres going to be someone out there that disagrees and they have a right to that as long as it isn't intensional flamming.
Edit: thats really sad R.I.P Trinity Blood author 
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HitokiriShadow
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Trinity Blood was based on a novel series and the author of the novels died shortly before the production on the anime began. As such, the novel series will never be completed. However, the director of the anime probably at least had an idea of where the author was going. I'm not sure how much that really affected the series though, as I'm under the impression that its quite a bit different than the novels. Whether it was simply the removal of some things (necessary since they were only doing 24-26 episodes) or going a different direction, I don't know. As for my feelings on the show, I've only seen about 3 episodes and pieces of a few others. What I've seen was alright, and I may buy a boxset when one becomes available but I'm not compelled to buy the individual discs, particularly with the numerous other series I am working on watching and collecting. |
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Richard J.
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I feel terrible for the family one way or other. Unless you've lost a family member you can't easily understand what it's like. It might provide a small bit of comfort to finish something that the father began and doubtless please his fans as well, which can be comforting as well. |
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HitokiriShadow
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I haven't heard anything about any children, but I'm figuring even if he does, they won't be continuing it. Such things are pretty rare as it would be difficult to live up to the original author's works. Even if the child is a good writer, their syle would probably be a bit different, they would have to figure out where there parent was going with the story (unless the parent had some sort of road map of the plot stored somewhere), and would be writing under their parent's shadow the entire time (even if they were a good writer, stylistic differences would probably undermine that) and I very few people would want to put up with that. |
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Kelly
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Although I'm cautiously optimistic because from what I've read people who have gotten through the whole series don't exactly seem blown away, I like Trinity Blood so far.
First of all, I like Father Abel. Kind, sensitive, sense of humor - yet no problem with doing what he has to do to keep innocent people safe. Isn't that exactly the kind of person we'd really want around if vampires really did exist? Secondly, the cliche criticism. Well, there really is just so much you can do with this genre, and horror-action is rarely high art. If you don't just take these kind of series for what they are, you're naturally going to be disappointed. Personally, I like spending time with this kind of story once in a while between the deeper stuff. Finally, I'm surprised at the criticism about the emphasis on the Vatican. We pretty much knew from the first episode that the Vatican special vampire unit were going to be the protagonists of this series and everyone who continued further knew what to expect. We're still very early in the series, and I'm aware that the whole thing might fall apart and I might end up terribly disappointed, but that's my opinion at this point. |
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