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Stark700
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:29 am
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Damn, this is awesome. 20 million+ copies in store for print too. I'm also looking forward to see how its spinoff will do.
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Momokochan
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:34 am
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aww snaaap! take that shonen jump, again!
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Mr Adventure
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:37 am
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Momokochan wrote: | aww snaaap! take that shonen jump, again! |
Man, it'd be swell if Attack on Titan's success lead to a bump in Seinen manga and anime over the next few years.
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Cyclone1993
Joined: 05 Jul 2011
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:35 am
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Mr Adventure wrote: |
Momokochan wrote: | aww snaaap! take that shonen jump, again! |
Man, it'd be swell if Attack on Titan's success lead to a bump in Seinen manga and anime over the next few years. |
That would be appreciated, more Seinen is always nice! Except Attack on Titan is Shonen, so I don't know how it would affect the future of Seinen series.
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dan9999
Joined: 25 Oct 2011
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:21 am
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Cyclone1993 wrote: |
Mr Adventure wrote: |
Momokochan wrote: | aww snaaap! take that shonen jump, again! |
Man, it'd be swell if Attack on Titan's success lead to a bump in Seinen manga and anime over the next few years. |
That would be appreciated, more Seinen is always nice! Except Attack on Titan is Shonen, so I don't know how it would affect the future of Seinen series. |
In theory, this has all the characteristics of seinen and not really those of shounen, so yes, it could help seinen.
So, lets have Gantz and Claymore properly adapted shall we?
Granted the heroines in Claymore and Gantz wont be in any top ("moe") heroines (yep, Mikasa was elected as such) and get all the Mikasa´s butt fanservice but still...
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Keyl
Joined: 21 Feb 2009
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:29 am
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dan9999 wrote: |
Cyclone1993 wrote: |
Mr Adventure wrote: |
Momokochan wrote: | aww snaaap! take that shonen jump, again! |
Man, it'd be swell if Attack on Titan's success lead to a bump in Seinen manga and anime over the next few years. |
That would be appreciated, more Seinen is always nice! Except Attack on Titan is Shonen, so I don't know how it would affect the future of Seinen series. |
In theory, this has all the characteristics of seinen and not really those of shounen, so yes, it could help seinen.
So, lets have Gantz and Claymore properly adapted shall we?
Granted the heroines in Claymore and Gantz wont be in any top ("moe") heroines (yep, Mikasa was elected as such) and get all the Mikasa´s butt fanservice but still... |
Well it's like FMA. All of Seinen characteristics wrapped in a Shonen formula. And just like FMA, the longer the story keeps going, the more it'll remove itself from the Shonen tropes.
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bigivel
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:02 am
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dan9999 wrote: |
Cyclone1993 wrote: |
Mr Adventure wrote: |
Momokochan wrote: | aww snaaap! take that shonen jump, again! |
Man, it'd be swell if Attack on Titan's success lead to a bump in Seinen manga and anime over the next few years. |
That would be appreciated, more Seinen is always nice! Except Attack on Titan is Shonen, so I don't know how it would affect the future of Seinen series. |
In theory, this has all the characteristics of seinen and not really those of shounen, so yes, it could help seinen.
So, lets have Gantz and Claymore properly adapted shall we?
Granted the heroines in Claymore and Gantz wont be in any top ("moe") heroines (yep, Mikasa was elected as such) and get all the Mikasa´s butt fanservice but still... |
Are you talking of gore? It always existed a lot of Shonen titles with gore so it isn't a characteristic of Seinen(And a lot of Seinen that don't have it!). For your information Claymore is a Shonen too!
Some examples of Shonen with gore are: Hakaijuu, Shin Mazinger zero, Akumetsu, Akame ga Kill, Claymore. And it exist a lot more.
Gore is an attribute added to a title and it appears more in genres like Action and Horror, but Shonen and Seinen have nothing to do with that. They are target audiences! Shonen meaning "Teenager boy" and Seinen meaning "Young Adult boy".
The thing that Attack on Titans can do is increase the teenagers interest in Gore, increasing the number of shonen titles with gore.
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Utsuro no Hako
Joined: 18 May 2012
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:23 am
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Well if you look at the contents of Bessatsu Shonen, they're pretty clearly trying to be as edgy and out-there as possible. Besides AoT, they publish Aku no Hana, Sankarea, and the downright pornographic manga adaptation of Shin Sekai Yori.
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IchigoKurosakiHollowfi
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:29 am
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Awesome.
I preorderd the LE volume.
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sainta
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:40 am
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Why are people talking about seinen here? Still, I don't want Gantz adapted due to how pathetic was its second half
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thelastgogeta
Joined: 26 May 2011
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:30 pm
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dan9999 wrote: |
Cyclone1993 wrote: |
Mr Adventure wrote: |
Momokochan wrote: | aww snaaap! take that shonen jump, again! |
Man, it'd be swell if Attack on Titan's success lead to a bump in Seinen manga and anime over the next few years. |
That would be appreciated, more Seinen is always nice! Except Attack on Titan is Shonen, so I don't know how it would affect the future of Seinen series. |
In theory, this has all the characteristics of seinen and not really those of shounen, so yes, it could help seinen.
So, lets have Gantz and Claymore properly adapted shall we?
Granted the heroines in Claymore and Gantz wont be in any top ("moe") heroines (yep, Mikasa was elected as such) and get all the Mikasa´s butt fanservice but still... |
If you want to know the demographic, your best bet is that you look at the magazine that the work is printing in. If the magazine is shonen (or not), with over a dozen unique works you will have Dr Slump next to Fist of the North Star, or Death Note next to Strawberry 100%.
It isn't fair to expect everyone in Shonen Jump to read both, but they are all pushed through the usual routine, to a editor who would agree on whether it matches or expands their target demographic and so on.
Shonen, Shojo, Josei, Seinen.
They can all be anything more or less.
I can find Seinen which shy from gore, shy from fantasy and are more or less the _____ works which you think is the antithesis of Seinen.
Sports is a more meaningful definition, but then the focus can be set from a different angle, the optimism could be through the roof or we could see our favourites crushed like Attack on Titan.
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lostrune
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:11 pm
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sainta wrote: | Why are people talking about seinen here? Still, I don't want Gantz adapted due to how pathetic was its second half |
People often mistake shounen series for seinen due to content levels. They tend to forget Japan has less strict censorship laws so something like Attack on Titan is perfectly fine for kids there and is in the dame demographic as One Piece.
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Rahxephon91
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:16 pm
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Just like people mistake censorship for actually just being different culture views/norms.
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GVman
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:31 pm
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The series was so good for about the first four volumes, but it has really plummeted in quality since then. Isayama keeps reusing plot devices in the story in an attempt to draw tears, but it just makes everything feel stale. The lack of levity in a long-form story isn't helping. Also, when is he actually gonna answer some of these mysteries he's created? He's done nothing else BUT create mysteries since those initial four volumes; very little else has happened. At this rate, I wonder how much longer it'll stay popular?
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:34 am Post subject:
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The folks at Weekly Jump turned it down because it's nothing like a Jump manga. I don't know why people make such a big deal about its initial rejection.
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bigivel
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Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:13 pm
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lostrune wrote: |
sainta wrote: | Why are people talking about seinen here? Still, I don't want Gantz adapted due to how pathetic was its second half |
People often mistake shounen series for seinen due to content levels. They tend to forget Japan has less strict censorship laws so something like Attack on Titan is perfectly fine for kids there and is in the dame demographic as One Piece. |
In reality the only censorship laws that Japan mangas have is about showing explicit sex, only hentai manga can show those and I believe they need to put black bars in some places. For the rest is totally a free industry.
what can happen is that a magazine, targeting a certain audience, can receive complains about the content that it shows and later be required to remove the content(That happened with Jojo's Bizarre Adventures, that was moved to "ultra jump", a seinen magazine).
In the end, except explicit sex, japan manga industry only have self-censorship(when the publisher filters their own contents) and censorship due to complains(and in this cases the magazine can decide to go against all this people).
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