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VORTIA
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...in other words "Please don't be mad, but X-Box One will come with as much nanny-ware and suck just as much as you thought it would."
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GeorgeC
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Man oh man oh man...
Microsoft has at the very least lost the public relations battle from Day One! We have enough privacy concerns AND issues about game ownership and our rights as consumers without them having to re-assert their Holy, Big Brother rights!!! You would think all the cases of malfunctioning XBox 360's and poor third party controllers failing (bad PCB's) would be enough to discourage the gaming crowd from this console but I can still easily see well over half of the same lemmings that went through 3, 4, and even 5 consoles without learning a darn thing actually picking up this machine day one! They had plenty of forewarning! Let's see what happens when they see the impact of MS's stated policies on those used games they buy from stores IF the game stores decide to deal with MS despite its very ill-thought intentions. P.S. -- And if you think I'm a Sony or Nintendo fanboy, you've got another thing coming! I didn't like Nintendo's nonsense with the Wii OEM controls and constant barrage of peripheral add-ons. Sure, they sold the most systems last generation BUT they also had the worst software library by far and that system would have very little new to play and been DOA without the GameCube backwards compatiblity. It also says something about the controller set-up when people preferred playing certain games WITH the GameCube controllers instead of the default motion controls! Likewise, Sony played games with the motion gimmick and now the Move is all but completely unsupported and dead... Thank good most of the games were still perfectly playable with the DS3 and that the heating issues were resolved after the first-run systems and that the heat issue didn't dog the sysem for years... I would still pass on getting any new MS or Sony system for the first year and wait until they debug them. With the possible exception of the Sony PS Vita, has either company launched a console or portable that didn't have serious hardware problems in the first manufacturing cycle or two????!!!??? The console launches didn't used to be this way until Sony and MS became the dominant players in home gaming... Nintendo AND Sega had histories of launching very reliable hardware from Day One. (Yes, I've heard the Japanese launch day stories but they generally had the hardware issues fixed -- except for the PS systems -- by the time of the US system launches.) |
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Kerberous
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Next Gen might be Last Gen
 The Wii U isn't going anywhere, Xbone might as well be DOA, and Sony will screw up like always.
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Apollo-kun
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My two cents on this whole thing, after being a close observer of the game industry for a long time, is that Microsoft is going to go the way of Sega. As much as I loved Sega, the Sega CD and Saturn were such huge debacles that even the wonderful Dreamcast couldn't save them. I predict this will most likely be Microsoft's Saturn, and whatever they do next will flounder due to all of the gamer goodwill they've essentially lost.
Sony will continue to do what it does and do it well. The PS3 had a huge turnaround, with more original IPs, better benefits for Plus subscribers, and the goodwill they still had from the PS2 days. The PS4 essentially seems like both the next-gen Xbox AND PS; that is to say, AAA titles will be most at home here. Meanwhile, the Vita will continue to flounder because (speaking as a PSP owner and former Vita owner) Sony has absolutely no idea how to market nor manage a handheld device, and I doubt they ever will. The WiiU has, essentially, turned into the next GameCube. There are plenty of interesting games, but they strictly appeal to hardcore gamers and Nintendo devotees. The GC was a fantastic system, in my humble opinion, and a successor to it is more than fine to me. While it might not turn as many units, its library is starting to get really diverse and interesting, and I have high hopes for the thing. Plus, Nintendo will be kept afloat by the ever-growing 3DS sales. This generation isn't going to be the "last"; there isn't going to be an early 80's-esque crash of the market. I think we're in the middle of a giant transition of power; the biggest player on the market is falling, and a new king is quickly rising to power. So, relax, you'll still be able to game like you always have... it just might not be on the same consoles. |
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Utsuro no Hako
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To protect your privacy, Microsoft has promised that all your data will be stored at a secure facility run by the NSA.
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vulcanraven01
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People slagging off MS have clearly lost the plot.
They aren't getting any profit from this whole 2nd hand gaming deal. They have done it due to pressure from developers/publishers, and funny enough, it is their games that sell consoles. If anyone thinks Sony won't have a similar scheme is just naive. They HAVE to adopt this otherwise developers/publishers will jump ship and show favor to the Xbox One. Also, anyone who has been a PC gamer for the last 5 years will be used to this sort of system. MS is basically wanting to replicate the successful Steam platform. As for Wii U, well just look at that, pretty much no 3rd party support and that is what killed the Wii console off for many mainstream gamers, leaving it as a novelty casual gamer console (apart from die-hard Nintendo fans). I think what has screwed MS over is the poor explanation when they first announced this. Rather than saying "Hey, we have this scheme in place, but we don't enforce it, publishers do", then yes, people would have still moaned, because it's change and we don't like that, but also, people wouldn't be painting them as the bad guys. |
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jdnation
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Xbone is the worst console ever made. I don't know why they didn't just take out the disc drive and make the console digital only. It's complete BS.
Not that I was looking to buy one since I'm a PlayStation Guy and can't stand Microsoft's pay-gated services. But this is a whole new level of stupidity that I'm afraid that Microsoft is trying to force a paradigm shift in gaming. Here's hoping Sony and Nintendo never follow MS's lead and Xbone crashes and burns and takes shitty big publishers like EA and Activision with them. Why buy a console with the worst practices of DRM in a closed box when I can simply have a more open platform on the PC? There's no exclusive that Microsoft can show off that will make up for this anti-consumer behavior. We obviously do not own the rights to the IP and content itself on the disc, DUH! But we sure as hell paid for the physical medium it's stored on and the right to access & play it on the device its made for and have every right to resell that! We are NOT reselling their IP and content which is ludicrous! We are reselling the physical disc we paid for along with the right to access the content stored on the disc as it was meant for. And Microsoft is a willing shill for NSA spying as well! They've been caught with their pants down along with the Obama Administration and IRS for all the stupid inevitable repercussions of the Republican led Patriot Act, and now want to force Big Brother into your living room with Kinect. Yeah, like we trust Microsoft of all companies to look after our best interests. These are the same people who faked their entire UI presentation at the Xbone reveal. If your OS wasn't working as well as they hoped why didn't they just release a concept video instead of pretending on stage to show how 'fast' it was? This is the same company who denied the RROD fiasco until they could no longer and knowingly released the box onto the market place with those problems! This is the same company that charges you twice to access online gaming and Netflix, Hulu and Internet Explorer! Like hell you'll see any benefit in digital prices from them! There is no reason to buy this monstrosity unless you really really need to play the next Halo that much! And if you really do, because you're a fan of Microsoft's IP, the best thing you ought to do is boycott Xbone so that it tanks and Microsoft finally relents and patches this insanity out of their box, and then buy it afterwards. Otherwise look forward to the restrictive nature of the world of digital only gaming without any of the benefits its advocates hope for. Grow a pair and stand up for yourselves. Don't prove Microsoft right for thinking you'll line up and buy anything they put out because they know a % of you are suckers. Because I guarantee you that if this is successful for Microsoft, you can bet the same practices will be carried over to all consoles and even inevitably to movies as well! After all, the consumers will have spoken, and said, "We don't care, we'll buy anything!" Good luck looking for or reselling rare anime DVD and Blu-Ray sets or Japanese games in the future if this is the case. |
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Megiddo
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They're failing miserably. They need to do what Steam does (one-time unlock requiring internet connection) not this every 24 hours heartbeat crap. |
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jdnation
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No, but publishers still control your RIGHT to resell games and want a cut of YOUR Resale! They can set prices or restrict you altogether. Microsoft isn't being benevolent here!
That doesn't excuse them. They have equal leverage to force third parties not to pull anti-consumer tactics, but then again Microsoft has a history of being anti-consumer and has been dragged to court several times for it. It's laughable to believe they don't stand to benefit from this as well. Even if they don't get a petty fee, they can still block you from reselling and borrowing and lending! That's complete BS! And NO, the little concessions they made via the undetailed 'family sharing' method don't make up for it!
Sony have confirmed there is no 'always online' requirement nor need to plug in your console at all for it to play single player games. So by nature they cannot utilize the same draconian measures Microsoft is doing which require the 24-hour always online connection checking or the 1-hour constant checking if you're accessing your content from elsewhere.
Well they're terrible at it. And NO It's not at all like steam! If anything it's the worst DRM taken from PC's outings on a CLOSED platform. And Steam is all-Digital! Xbone is NOT! It sells Physical Discs! Your attempt to compare them falls apart here! Nobody is arguing for the right to resell digital downloads. But the physical ones!
And this has to do with what exactly? Microsoft has a big competitor with Sony who will have guaranteed 3rd party support. WiiU also suffers from being underpowered and thus requiring more effort and a second team and a secondary engine to port games to that makes it logistically more expensive to consider with a host of other reasons. Particularly being that WiiU offers no advantages to gamers who already own a 360 or PS3. Why buy another console for multi-plats that are already on established similarily powered consoles you own?
No amount of BS PR and smiley stickers will cover up how anti-consumer this is! We've yet to see what Sony will do, but if it's similar, (and by nature it couldn't due to no always online connection requirements), then they can kiss a chunk of the market goodbye. If you're going to force me into a PC-like digital environment on console, then what incentive do I have to buy a console, when I can get a PC which is far more open and far better at doing anything the consoles can? There's a reason people stick with the convenience of consoles. Microsoft is eliminating that entirely with forced entire installs to HDDs that will no doubt also be proprietary and sold to you for a large sum if you want to buy more. No thanks! |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Hmm I'm thinking Nintendo has the dream-cast here with the wii-u not Microsoft. If i had to equate the game-cube=Saturn, a great system that had a great library of games but no one in the west wanted to make games for it. On the xbox one, I'm not getting it pure and simple. I don't care what games they roll out for it or what new ip's they create, i'm not being slapped around and bent over to take Microsoft's d***. Consumers control/dictate what's in the market not the hardware/software makers. It's damn time they learned this by not screwing over it's consumers. |
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Kerberous
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Only problem is that Sony never understood the business to begin with. They had nothing to do with the game that sold the PS1(FF7) and the PS2 was luck. The fact that the competition wasn't doing that well didn't hurt either.
I've never been more relaxed. I'm just seeing the patterns. The Wii U is a flop, there is nothing but apathy or hate for the rest of the next gen consoles. At the moment, no one seems to be doing anything right. 99.9% of the games being made continue to suck and there's no one out there who can upstage these guys. Last might be a strong word to use. There's probably gonna be another gen just 'because the next gen consoles are mini PCs. |
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mangamuscle
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"a fool and his money will soon take different roads". Anyone buying a seXbox is a fool. If someone doesn't get's why "seXbox", it is becuase it is f**ck*** you.
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Ryvius213
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I like how all the features go under the assumption that normally you wouldn't be able to share your games with ANYONE.
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consignia
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Not literally of course, that would be horrible. |
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Catseyetiger
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The Xbox one will die a vast and much needed death!
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