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DemonDragonJ
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I love Japanese animation; I attempt to watch as wide a variety as possible, and one of my favorite forms of anime is hentai, or erotic anime. However, one thing that annoys me to no end about hentai anime is that almost none of the hentai anime that I have seen has a good plot. The three most common devices that I have seen in hentai anime are the following.
1. One male, usually a male who is incredibly ugly, sick and twisted, and is either a janitor or a doctor, enslaves numerous females into his sex slaves, and for some wierd reason, the females are unable to stop themselves from being degraded and enslaved. Examples of this sort of anime that I have seen include Shusaku Replay, Isaku Respect, and Night Shift Nurses. 2. Hordes of tentacled demons attempt to enslave humanity, and the only hope of stopping them is a good-looking female who uses the power of sex as a form of fighting. Examples of this sort of anime that I have seen include La Blue Girl and Twin Angels. 3. One male is so lucky as to "unwillingly" end up in a competition between several different females, who are often sisters, or mother and sister, or related in some other manner. Examples of this sort of anime that I have seen include Anyone You Can Do, I Can Do Better. There have been only three hentai anime series to this date that I have seen that I found to have excellent plots. They were Bible Black, MeiKing, and Darling. None of those series were, in my opinion, boring and repetitive in the way that many other hentai anime series are. They all had excellent plots that broke many of the stereotypes of hentai anime. The point of this thread is to ask everyone here two questions. First, why does it seem that the vast majority of hentai anime series have terrible plots? Is it because the animators feel that their audiences simply wish for erotic images, and thus save the good stories for non-hentai anime? Second, can anyone give me some titles of hentai anime series that have good plots? I am attempting to find such anime myself, but the search has proven to be somewhat difficult so far. If a thread such as this is not allowed on these boards, I apologize for starting it. I thank everyone for taking the time to read this thread. |
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Koda89
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Well.....hentai IS a form of pornography.....I would like you to point out any porno film that actually had a good plot......
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DKL
 Posts: 1962 Location: California, USA |
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Wow, we just went over this elsewhere, actually...
Uh... I can think of erotic anime that actually have good execution (just check out Yoshiaki Kawajiri's catalogue... like... Ninja Scroll... I thought that was actually really good... I should get down to seeing the rest of his stuff, but I'm assuming that they are nice as well) Also, as far as manga is concerned, I really suggest Crying Freeman or anything Ryoichi Ikegami for that matter Lots of sex, but it's actually really awesome as far as actual story goes As for straight-up porn, I think Inma Seiden has a some kinda family politics to it, but it does have the regular tentacles and whatnot (and pretty bad subs, actually, which makes the above harder to understand than it should be) But yeah, for the most part, hentai has pretty forced plots... but hey, it's fun (although, I do take Ikegami and Kawajiri rather seriously even up against regular anime/manga... man, those guys are awesome) Oh, and since Koike wrote Crying Freeman, you might wanna check into any of his other collaborations (although, I'm fairly sure that Ikegami has some of the best art) But... I'm not an expert on the thing (just started and going at it pretty slow), you should go to Animeondvd.com, you can probably find better suggestions than what I have over there (in the boards if you need it to be specific) |
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frentymon
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Don't forget category #4.
4. Related to #3, except it most often deals with school life/school girls/etc. Basically, the male lead has a lot of girls surrounding him, and there's one "main" girl that is introduced either first or very early, and is "saved for last." Pretty much one female character is "focused on" each episode (and some are introduced along the way), with the "focus" on the "main" girl being the last or close to last scene in the series. It doesn't have to be in a school setting/with school girls though. Examples include Tonari no Onee-san (Girl Next Door), Virgin Touch, One: True stories, Forbidden Love, Suki dayo (I Love You) Pure Mail, and to an extent, Meiking. Generally these are "tame" (no rape, no "repulsive stuff"), but I find them to be really dull at times (often these titles take themselves too seriously).
Generally, one who watches hentai does not look for plot, but rather, just arousal (although I am sure there are exceptions). There is probably a tasteful way to have a good plot in hentai while not sacrificing "pleasure", but I'd imagine that it is pretty difficult to do. More emphasis on plot means less emphasis on "pleasure", and I'd think that it is not what the typical viewer of hentai would want (for example, most people who play visual novel games such as Air care much more about the plot than the sex portions, since the plot is much more highly emphasized than the sex). Also, I don't think as much thought and planning goes into hentai as regular anime, although there may be exceptions as well. As for category #1, I'd say it's because some hentai viewers really are like that, and can find themselves relating to the main character, therefore enjoying the experience of watching more. As for category #2 and #3, it must appeal to some people as well.
I guess you could try the titles I listed into "Category 4". They don't contain any of the things you don't seem to really like that are present in the three categories that you listed, and they generally have better plots than stuff like Night Shift Nurses. I especially recommend Pure Mail, and it is one of the best that I have seen. I would also recommend Viper GTS. The plot is pretty decent, and there's no rape, tentacles, or anything of the sort (well there is, but it's really not that bad at all). It's misleading at first, but it turns out to be one of the better hentai titles out there. |
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The Frankman
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I went on a personal crusade to find hentai with good plot, or a hentai that could pass as a good "normal" Japanese anime without the sex. Countdown: Akira Saga is a good example, and so is 2/3 of Wet Summer Days (story 3= NO). Even Slave Market to some extent fits that bill, although is plot is only decent and it does contain some questionable sexual elements.
Problem with Bible Black is outside of two people English dub is poor. Inma was done by NuTech, and uses porn actors who aren't that good (although I heard Asia Carrera was awesome in her VA role). |
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dormcat
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The trilogy of Isaku, Shusaku, and Kisaku (Ito brothers) have set a milestone in ero-game history. I don't know much about their anime adaptations but, believe it or not, Shusaku the game has many female players. spoiler[After "conquering" all side characters, the game would restart in a special mode, in which both the player and the evil Shusaku reside in the same body. The player has to stop Shusaku's evil deeds, and it's not easy for a conscience without a body.] This complex plot created many possibilities for future (at then) ero-games. As for hentai anime recommendation: why hasn't anyone mentioned Kite? Not many anime can earn an A+ in ANN's review; even fewer by hentai. |
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DKL
Posts: 1962 Location: California, USA |
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Or Mezzo Forte?
I haven't seen it, but yeah, people like that Oh, and thanks for the brief Viper GTS description, I need to check that out Oh and Frankman, if we're talkin' hentai dubs, what's good? Maid in Heaven was godly; the guy who played the guy was incredible, I almost forgot I was watching porn |
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W3b3r
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I have a problem with hentai in that the makers seem to be obessed with rape and bondage. Either that or their are gruesome deaths involved. The worst one I have seen for that is Mother's Milk. Oh dear God I swear I was scared for life.
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Key
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As others have pointed out, hentai is no more or less guilty of being plot-lite than live-action porn. In large part that's because serious plot detracts from the vicarious content, which is what most people who watch porn/hentai watch it for, so successful combinations of plot and graphic sex are rare.
One of those rare exceptions is the Director's Cut or Special Edition version of Kite, which loads extremely graphic violence, hard-core action, and three explicit sex scenes into an OVA less than 50 minutes long and still manages a respectable plot. |
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Zalis116
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One explanation of "why no good plot in hentai/porn?" is economic -- if you can sell product by putting a bunch of sexual images and voice actresses screaming, "iyaaa, dame~!" on a disc without taking the time to write a good story, why would you waste money focusing on plot? The other explanation is biological--porn as a whole seeks to stimulate the reptilian parts of our brains, the oldest parts that care about pleasure, reproduction, and other basic instincts. If you have a bunch of plot and story in the way, then the reader/viewer's higher-order brain functions are active, just as they are when interpreting plots in non-pornographic entertainment. If that's the case, then the direct stimulation of the reptillian brain is reduced, meaning less arousal and less success for the product. That's also why viewers will accept acts in porn that would ordinarily be shocking & disturbing if they happened to read about them in the news--while "utilizing" porn, the parts of the brain that say "this is wrong, this is immoral, this is against society" get switched off. (And like any progressive addiction, users build "tolerance" to tamer porn and seek out more deviant content to get the same effect.) I also tend to seek out H-titles with some plot that don't fit into one of those three stereotypes. Many hentai were based on renai games, and I'd imagine that before series like To Heart and Kanon broke into the mainstream, pretty much anything based on those games was hentai. Sexfriend is a "schoolgirl" type, with a bit of a love story and nothing too extreme, just some bondage here and there. If psuedo-incest is your thing, there's Stepmother's Sin (teenager with issues against own mother takes them out on his stepmother, rather disturbing and evil at times) and Stepsister (cute at times, with some slightly deviant acts, plot about the guy's dead father's art and his stepmother's designs on that art, with the stepsister being the one trying to hold the family together "at all costs," if you know what I mean [and I'm sure you do]) There's also Futari Ecchi, which is so softcore it barely qualifies as hentai -- it's about a married couple and their sexual trials and discoveries, absolutely nothing deviant by hentai standards. Little Monica has a plot, but it's fairly stupid and the sex scenes stray too far into loli territory, so watch it at your own risk. Last edited by Zalis116 on Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:06 am; edited 1 time in total |
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fighterholic
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First off, hentai is porn, why should there be a good plot when the point of the movie is to watch people having sex. Second, I haven't seen too many, but the most decent hentai I was Midnight Sleazy Train, where they decide to run a midnight brothel on the train to support the income of the train line. And this kind of thread has been on the forum many times, so don't worry about it 
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W3b3r
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Woops. Was meant to be scarred. Any sembelence of "reptilian arousal" was gone after I saw him ejaculate blood. |
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Randall Miyashiro
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I also love Umetsu's animation directing. After watching the Mezzo tv series I decided to buy Mezzo Forte (my only other hentai DVD is Kite) during the current TRSI Meda Blasters sale. Rightstuf included a free Adult Flyer Pack with my purchase, and I have no idea what it is 
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Daemonblue
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Futari Ecchi isn't hentai, it's ecchi just as the title points out. I'd say try out Dragon Pink and Bondage Queen Kate, they seem to get more buzz in the hentai area around where I live. One series of hentais that, from what I hear, read, etc., is somewhat true to life, even today, is Cream Lemon. The originals were made in the late 80's (Agent A-ko would've been included as 1 ep, but they decided to make it a seres without all the hentai, except for one bath scene) while they're still making new ones today. One of the spinoffs from it was Midnight Anime Lemon Angel (hentai), which is the precursor (sp?) to Lemon Angel Project (not hentai). So yea, if you can get your hands on any Cream Lemon then you probably will get what you're looking for. The original Mizuiro is also kind of like this, mostly plot until 5 minutes left, then banging for those last five minutes. Elf Ban Kakyuusei isn't really a hentai, but the last episode shows ecchi scenes of the two main chars together (ecchi = underwear for bottom half, nothing for top). And Canvas ~Motif of Sepia~ (I hate the sub group that edited it, it's much better /o that) has a good storyline and ecchi moments (again, the main chars get together, but they don't show the lower half). If any of this helps any, then your welcome, if not, oh well. :O
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frentymon
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I find that H-manga and H-games generally tend to have much better storylines than hentai anime. Probably because not as much effort has to be spent on production (or illustration).
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