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Kin7cato



Joined: 30 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:03 am Reply with quote
In Every anime I have seen there is always at least one dumb character. Maybe not a main character. But a sub character
No matter how good the anime is there is always at least one dumb character.

It doesn't hurt the show. But i just noticed that.

What do you think?
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Deltakiral



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:16 am Reply with quote
Is the character necessary dumb or more so he/she is completely used as a tool for some form of comedic value. That generally what I notice is in order to off set the main character who is normally over tone and always serious, this character is use to show how the main character can have a lighter side, and not only that to have extreme drama, comedy must exist.
Till next time,

Delta Kiral
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Kin7cato



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:25 am Reply with quote
Deltakiral wrote:
Is the character necessary dumb or more so he/she is completely used as a tool for some form of comedic value. That generally what I notice is in order to off set the main character who is normally over tone and always serious, this character is use to show how the main character can have a lighter side, and not only that to have extreme drama, comedy must exist.
Till next time,

Delta Kiral


You have made a very good point Deltakira. I guess a little of both. Because some characters act stupid at times. But they are intelligent and serious at other times.

So I'll say a character with a little below average intellignce that can or can not be used as comedic value.
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Stupidman007



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:26 am Reply with quote
Deltakiral's avatar reminded me of this, but there doesn't seem to be a dumb character in FMA.

Maybe I just forgot? care to enlighten me?
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Kin7cato



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:30 am Reply with quote
I can't remember right now but there has to be at least one dumb character even in FMA. I just cant recall one right now.
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Kin7cato



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:46 am Reply with quote
Stupidman007 wrote:
Deltakiral's avatar reminded me of this, but there doesn't seem to be a dumb character in FMA.

Maybe I just forgot? care to enlighten me?


How about that one humunkuli that eats people. He's a little below average intelligence{at least in the dub}.
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Papermaster57



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:54 am Reply with quote
also dumb characters are mostly used for comedy relief.
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outlawwolf



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:16 am Reply with quote
There doesn't really need to be a dumb character in FMA because all of the main character, and the side characters, while all serious, have comedic undertones. Edward and his Napoleon Complex, Mustang and his need to become Feur so he can enforce the Tiny Mini Skirt rule on all female state alchemist, Hughes and his need to bring up his wife and daughter, Cheska and her obsession with books and excentric personality. For a pretty serious show, the FMA characters aren't all that serious. Except for the later part of the series, but that's a different story.
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joel_s95387



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:06 am Reply with quote
I believe it not only adds a comedic aspect to serious anime but also makes the protaginist seem all that much better than everyone else. The "dumb" guy, is almost never the best fighter. His lack of skills compliment the main character. Take Inuyasha for example. Miroku has his cheap little hand thing, which he can't use in the presense of those bees, and thats it. Inuyasha has a full arsenal of attacks. The Tetsusaiga: Windscar, Backlash Wave. Even unarmed he has the iron reaver soul stealer. Lets not forget he turns into a demon. Is there really a need for Miroku? Only for his comedic womanizing that never works.

I agree with the comments of FMA not having their "dumb" character, but almost all the characters have their own comedic aspects. Outlawwolf summed it up perfectly.

I don't remember a "dumb" character in Blue Gender, Blue Submarine #6, Doomed Megalopolis, Elfen Lied, Gantz, Gungrave - I don't think Glutton Bob Poundmax was funny he just ate, RahXephon, Samurai X (Rurouni Kenshin) Trust & Betrayal, Armitage III, Blood, and well I'll stop there before this thread gets locked for listing.

NOT EVERY anime has a "dumb" character.


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Zalis116
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:24 am Reply with quote
It's not exactly an anime-only phenomenon to have a "dumb" character...it follows literary tradition. You've got Meri and Pippin in LoTR, Sancho Panza in Don Quijote, the aptly-named Fool in Shakespeare's King Lear, and a slew of others. Not only do these characters provide comic relief: they also serve as a conduit for the wisdom and philosophy about the world, since audiences will often accept things more readily from a simple/crazy mind than from a complex one.

Getting back to the anime side of this, I have to make the observation based on the "Predictability" thread that you haven't seen too many serious(ly weird) animes.

Now and Then, Here and There: Shu is innocent/naïve when it comes to the world in which he finds himself, but he's not exactly stupid. I can't think of anyone else who is.

Haibane Renmei: Kind of the same deal as NTHT, Rakka's innocent curiosity leads to some trouble, but she isn't dumb, nor is anyone else.

I think Joel has a decent list as well, though I'd argue that the Nyuu personality has a lot of baka in her.
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Deltakiral



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:34 am Reply with quote
Kin7cato wrote:
How about that one humunkuli that eats people. He's a little below average intelligence{at least in the dub}.

I think that Gluttony it more or less a symbol for us as humans. Not as we currently are, but rather what happens to us as Humans when we become consumed (no pun intended) with one basic human desire. That we can revert to a stage in our evolution that is not as advanced as we are now.

outlawwolf wrote:
FMA because all of the main character, and the side characters, while all serious, have comedic undertones.
That was the my point with dealing with drama and comedy, and that there very beings are held together because they both exist. But none the less this is the best way to make an example from an anime. Perfect job Outlawwolf.
Till next time,

Delta Kiral
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LydiaDianne



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:30 pm Reply with quote
Sometimes the "dumb" character can even be the lead character. Take Sailor Moon for example, Usagi failed in school, was clumsy, a glutton and cried alot. But for all that, she was kind, loving and when she really needed to, she did her best.

In some ways, that is, to me, what the "dumb" character is, humanity. That we all do dumb things and because of the dumb things we do, we're very, very funny.

So we are not laughing at a dumb character, we're laughing at ourselves and if you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?
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squeakyL



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:38 pm Reply with quote
Well, it depends what you mean by "dumb" exactly.

If you mean clumsy and stupid, that's one thing.
But there are a lot of times where the main character is dumb in many ways, but maybe not in the clueless way.

For example, there's the new photo member in Ai Yori Aoshi who can't get anything done and falls down all the time. On the other hand, there are characters who make just as many mistakes, but not exactly the "tripping over everything" kind.
It's also a matter of opinion. Quite frankly, I find Shin from Gundam Seed Destiny, a perfectly capable guy, dumb because he can't think for himself really. When I'm not being irritated by him, I laugh at what idiotic mistakes he makes and the things he gets upset over.
Also, some people consider those who're a bit clueless to feelings dumb. They're not hilariously dumb, but they're a bit thick.
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outlawwolf



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:29 pm Reply with quote
heh, note to self, best posts are made when drunk.

Whenever the lead character is given "dumb" personality aspects like Usagi from Sailor Moon, Goku of DBZ, Edward of FMA, it's usually there to give the all powerful lead a human side, a part of him/her that can be related to by everyone. It's not to say that humans are gluttonous, clumsy, and clueless, but more to say that these characters are capable of blowing up a planet or something, yet they can't make through the day without tripping over themselves.
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GloriousPikachu



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:11 pm Reply with quote
In the theatre style of Commedia dell'arte, Their are many stock characters, which are present in every play/production of this discipline. The stock character ll dottore Is a character who is boastful, greedy, and very dumb. there is also zanni, and Arlecchino, who are both clowns. All three of these characters are there for strictly comic relief. Although anime is definately not anything like Commedia dell'arte, it uses many of these characters, as does modern day cinema.
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