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Iemander



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:32 am Reply with quote
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Oh,sort of like how (ATTN NARUTO NEWBIES - Don't read the following spoilers.You'll regret it,believe it.),spoiler[Orochimaru and the Hokage were deadlocked for 7 episodes while Sarutobi was impaled by a sword?] They kept going back and forth.Kids fighting,back to those two,Kids fighting,back to those two.By the fifth episode into that fight,I actually said to myself,"Naruto fans can NEVER complain about DBZ".Even though it was a great fight and a great arc,I thought by that time the guy should've long been dead.


Also,I really don't see the point of complaining about something like that.So what if it took 5 episodes to complete the Spirit Bomb? What's 5 episodes compared to 300 episodes? If it took that long to charge the Spirit Bomb in a 26 episode series,then I'd agree with you.But honestly,when people whine about this I think they're just grasping at straws.


Oh yeah now you convinced me man, DBZ IS SO DAMN FAST PEOPLE, IT'S THE FASTEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN! WOW! SO FAST! Laughing

Seriously though, I think everyone has agreed by now that Naruto is like DBZ, just 10 times better, but it is like DBZ yes, that was never denied. I can't completely remember that episode you're talking about Cold, but I can be sure that the episode was 10 times more action packed and interesting than that spirit bomb thing in DBZ, no matter how long it took.
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Kouji



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:08 pm Reply with quote
Pleroma wrote:


Overrated:

Tsubasa Chronicles. I read so many good thigs about this and was looking forward to some epic fantasy and all I got was the most bored looking anime cast I have ever seen in a barely even set up story. I may have endured Sayoran's completely uncaring demeanor and his barely interested companions. I may have even endured the obscene amount of episodes (sorry, if its not about fighting and powering up it should NOT EVER go beyond 52 episodes, preferably 13-26) but when I saw the bad guys discussing events while looking into their uber paparazzi mirror-of-seeing-everything-that-happens-except-what-matters-to-them (a plot device I though had died a decade ago) I deleted it in disgust.
Are you watching the same show as I am or are you just not paying any attention to it? First of all, Tsubasa Chronicles has only just gotten started. You can't really judge the characters of a series that's planned for three seasons when only 26 episodes have been aired so far. I myself used to think Fai was a boring character but he's started to become a lot more interesting in more recent episodes, as the series has started to hint at a possible dark past of his. I have no idea what you mean when you say Shaoran is uncaring. Are you still watching Cardcaptor Sakura and confusing it with Tsubasa Chronicles or what? Shaoran is practically risking his life to get Sakura's memories back for her knowing that even if she gets them all back, she still won't remember him. Please explain to me how that is uncaring again because unless you're watching a different Tsubasa Chronicles than I am, I think we must have different definitions of what uncaring is. While I do know that Tsubasa Chronicles is being planned for three seasons, so far only 26 episodes have been aired, so I don't know what you mean when you say you've "endured the obscene amount of episodes" when those obscene amount of episodes don't even exist yet. Have there been some hidden episodes of Tsubasa Chronicles that's been aired since episode 26 was released that you're not telling me about or are you still watching this different Tsubasa Chronicles that nobody else is?

And if you think an anime should never go beyond 52 episodes unless it's about fighting or powering up, try watching Cardcaptor Sakura, but since you seem to be confused and think Shaoran is being uncaring in Tsubasa Chronicles, even though you never pointed out how exactly he's uncaring, you must have already seen Cardcaptor Sakura and are confusing the two Shaorans, as that's the only reason why I can see anyone could think Shaoran is "uncaring" in Tsubasa Chronicles. And I have no clue what you mean when you say the villians aren't looking at things that are important to them in the mirror. You do realize that Sakura and Shaoran collecting the feathers IS important to the villians, don't you? And I don't know why you'd be complaining about this to begin with. The only other anime I saw a character spy through some object at their enemies was Queen Beryl in Sailor Moon, so I don't see how this is something that's been done often.
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Pleroma



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:49 pm Reply with quote
The very fact that it is being planned for 3 seasons is what turns me off since that inevitably means that they will strech the story. You said yourself that only now is is it starting to hint at Fai's dark past, its been 26 episodes, and they are only now HINTING at it??? I have seen nothing here yet that requires 3 seasons, It could all be told much more economically.

As far as Sayoran being uncaring, my point is that while the story tells us he is risking a lot it never feels like he truly is. I saw almost no genuine emotion in either his voice or his face in all the episodes I watched. When he realized sakura had lost her memories he should have been begging in tears for the witch to help him. He should have been completely heartbroken when the price of her memories was revealed, and he should have at least questioned his companions motivations beyond a word or two. But no, all we get is some poorly acted "concern" and quickie solutions to everyone's problems.
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Alchemist449



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:14 pm Reply with quote
Just a little reminder to you all: Over-rated does not mean the show is bad. It means that the show just got more attention than it needed.
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mydog8u2



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:48 pm Reply with quote
About Tsubasa Chronicles... Is it just me or are the characters too... 'nice'? It took a very long time for me to get used to their long limbs and lanky figures, but I'm still not used to their dialogues, especially the dialogues between Shaoran and Sakura. I mean, yes, it's very 'sweet', but when all I hear is "yes princess", "are you okay princess?", "Shaoran-kun is very kind", "Thank you princess", it gets too butter-ish. Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the series very much, but if all the hype I've been hearing about it is true, then maybe it is a tiny bit overrated. At least it doesn't have the best of dialogues, right people?
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Kouji



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:00 pm Reply with quote
Well, Tsubasa Chronicles is a children's anime, so I try to expect some cheesiness in it, but then again, I like cheesy dialog in anime because I just do. ^^;;
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Jermhatespants



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:58 am Reply with quote
Iemander wrote:

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Texhnolyze

Forget about Lain, this is a work of art. The atmosphere, interesting range of characters and beautifull designs are incredible. I have no idea why some people call this series slow or hard to understand, because every single scene is a sight to behold, coming from the very first silent episode to the dramatic realization of death in the last.

Perhaps this series just isn't for everyone, but I just can't stop loving it, and urge everyone with eyes to see, ears to hear and with at least 1 finger to click the play button, to get this series by any means necessairy. Texhnolyze is animation at its best.


It's good to know I'm not the only one who absolutely loved Texhnolyze. You have good taste!

Overrated: Tenchi Muyo-I never could get into this at all. I watched one dvd of it and promptly returned it the next day. It wasn't even worth the five bucks I paid for it.

Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi-I like this show and own it on dvd, but I didn't think it was all that great. The "skip to another wacky world" gimmick sort of wore thin after several episodes.

Underrated: Metropolis-Beautiful anime with a compelling storyline, but it get's a mere "Good" rating.

Texhnolyze and Millenium Actress-Already mentioned, but I'm just adding them in agreement.

Tokyo Godfathers-Beautifully moving story of three homeless friends and the orphan girl they adopt is sure to win over all but the most cold-hearted individuals. Based on an old John Ford movie.
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Darth_Blade



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:35 am Reply with quote
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Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi-I like this show and own it on dvd, but I didn't think it was all that great. The "skip to another wacky world" gimmick sort of wore thin after several episodes.

I highly suggest you re-watch Abenobashi. I had the same feelings as you halfway through the show, but it's the last three episodes that make it really worthwile. Don't fall into the trap that is Post-FLCL Gainax %)


Okay, here's my take.
Underrated: Melody of Oblivion. As far as I'm concerned, that is one of the best series to come out in the past two years (it's good AND it's not just another love-story!). Yes, it's obscure. Yes, the graphics are far from perfect, but c'mon, get yourself a longer attention span, people, MoO is worth it.

Overrated: Kimi ga nozomu eien. I know it's not that highly rated, but still - if I ever want to see a mexican soap opera I'll go and watch one, don't turn a promising anime into one. The pacing is slow and the characters, which are supposed to be the main point of interest, are either too shallow (Shinji, the girls who work with Takayuki), or too stupid (Takayuki, Hayase) to be taken seriously. The only character worthy of attention is Haruka, but she gets so little development and screen-time, that it's almost painful.
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Gauss



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:13 pm Reply with quote
Darth_Blade wrote:

Underrated: Melody of Oblivion. As far as I'm concerned, that is one of the best series to come out in the past two years (it's good AND it's not just another love-story!). Yes, it's obscure. Yes, the graphics are far from perfect, but c'mon, get yourself a longer attention span, people, MoO is worth it.


Certainly one of the more bewildering anime shows out there. Leaves a lot of questions open. Or at least, leaves them open if you don't feel like following the internal logic of MoO to its conclusion.

spoiler[If you do follow the logic it's clear that MoO does not have a happy ending. Bocca is basically locked into an eternal struggle. Plenty of foreshadowing in the labyrinth and the way the girls are trapped on the space station. Sayoko is dead, but sort of lives on as the new MoO. However, it's less clear why it has to be like this. The mystery at the heart of the world is never properly explained. Perhaps myths simply require both monsters and heroes.]

I wouldn't really call it a masterpiece, even though it's a good story. Definitely not an anime everybody can enjoy. Very original fan service though (there, that should get people to at least try it out).
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Darth_Blade



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:47 pm Reply with quote
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spoiler[spoiler[If you do follow the logic it's clear that MoO does not have a happy ending. Bocca is basically locked into an eternal struggle. Plenty of foreshadowing in the labyrinth and the way the girls are trapped on the space station. Sayoko is dead, but sort of lives on as the new MoO. However, it's less clear why it has to be like this. The mystery at the heart of the world is never properly explained. Perhaps myths simply require both monsters and heroes.]]

spoiler[That is - if you look at it from a pessimistic point of view. It's really left for the viewer to decide. Solo could've died, or could've survived (note how the arrow CLEARLY hits only his shoulder). It may or may not be possible to kill a monster. The optimistic point of view says that now that the Melody has disappeared the warriors can concentrate on fighting monsters. Though that's not really that optimistic in itself if you remember MoO's words and employ a little logic.

And Sayoko's definitely alive. I know this is a potential plot hole for picky viewers, but we've seen enough of the Melody to know that Sayoko did not become then next MoO]


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wouldn't really call it a masterpiece, even though it's a good story. Definitely not an anime everybody can enjoy.

The quality of a work of art is not decided by the number of people who may enjoy it. If that was the fact, all greatest art forms would have been... uh... porn?
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Gauss



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:07 pm Reply with quote
Darth_Blade wrote:
spoiler[It may or may not be possible to kill a monster. The optimistic point of view says that now that the Melody has disappeared the warriors can concentrate on fighting monsters.

And Sayoko's definitely alive. I know this is a potential plot hole for picky viewers, but we've seen enough of the Melody to know that Sayoko did not become then next MoO]


spoiler[Well, the old Monster King was killed by Solo, and one monster at least seems to have died when she dropped down that hole. As for the old MoO, she can speak in some circumstances and is not always surrounded by an aura so it's less than clear how a MoO must appear to people (besides, there's only one warrior left at the end, not clear how others would view Sayoko). Anyway, you seem to be in the sort-of-happy ending camp. I'm in the one that thinks it was all so very futile. The ending is so bewildering because it deliberately avoids clear answers.]

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The quality of a work of art is not decided by the number of people who may enjoy it. If that was the fact, all greatest art forms would have been... uh... porn?


I'm not saying anything about public approval = masterpiece.
Even if MoO was considered a masterpiece there would still be a lot of people who wouldn't like the series. Hence "Definitely not an anime everybody can enjoy". The same can be said for a Bergman film or a Beckett play.
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