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Jkid
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/26/yugioh/index.html
Educational? Good and bad? If you're the few of the people like me who are educated about the REAL Yu-Gi-Oh storyline. IMO,some of you might be shocked. 4Kids made it educational,and the storyline wasn't made educational... WARNING S p o i l e r it had a first a simple plot in the original(the first season before the Duel Monsters Saga) then when the Duelest Kingdom story arc came it transformed into a complex plot involving a dead life, rare hunters, lost memories, and of course the "items". END SPOLIER I can agree on one section near the end of the article when one person stated the differences between Arika and Yu-Gi-Oh. There was no difference,the Yu-Gi-Oh anime (or should we say American Remake) was there to make money. The Japanese version didn't have the purpose the anime was based on the manga that's still producing in Japan and just started in "Shouen Jump" magazine in the US. The anime was produced and the card game is created after many fans requests for one because of the card game featured in the manga.That way the fans enjoy their series without feeling it's another made-up fad while Konami rakes in the money,and everyone's happy. The American remake is just brought here by 4Kids becuase their "other" francise,Pokemon is becoming dead or is it (I think it's already dead here in the US...by overcommercialzation)? So they just brought the anime show here just to make money. If the show was brought here by a real US licensing comapany (like Bandai,Funimation) this story would've been much different. This is why I'm making my petition, to stop the cultural intolerance that most of the US is still having. And the first step is bring allow Yu-Gi-Oh to be subbed and uncensored so that everyone should be able to watch a real anime. And to remove the double standards that anime that are being broadcast in the US are being forced apon. We don't care if someone imatates something from the anime series, that's his busniness. The petition addresses are in my sig.Please don't let 4Kids ruin another anime.Yu-Gi-Oh is the latest casualty, either Child's Toy or Magical Doremi might be next on their list. And if they try to ruin them, it'll be an act of war in my book. For the article I've told you, you can discuss about it here. And that was my two cents. Now it's off to bed for me. =) Just incase they don't show up here's the petitions: http://www.petitiononline.com/101010/petition.html http://www.petitiononline.com/CiscoR/petition.html EDIT:Somehow my sigs aren't working..can anyone fix it for me? |
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Cassandra
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Sigs are disabled here. |
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Tiresias
Posts: 353 Location: Illinois, USA |
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Two things for you to know. First off, online petitions are basically useless and ignored by major companies. If you really want to do a petition that will have attention paid to it, go out and get actual signatures on a formal petition. Online petitions are nothing more than a forum for people to fell like they are doing something when in reality they aren't. Secondly, AFAIK the sigs have been disabled by the mods.
[EDIT] Just to let you know, both of your petitions are good examples of why online petitions do nothing. 1. Some people only put their first names and others use aliases. In order for a petition to be taken seriously, you need full names only (first and last names). 2. Even one negative comment can invalidate an entire petition. Many people who sign those things leave little messages, most of which are rude and inflammatory towards the company being petitioned. Remember, you get more flies with honey than with vinegar. An old saying I know, but one that is universally true. 3. No way to verify that one person didn't sign multiple times. With the abundance of free e-mail providers, it's not that hard to open multiple accounts to use as "verification". I myself have 4 different e-mail accounts. 2 University, 1 ISP, and 1 hotmail account for junk to be delivered to. With a real petition you not only need names, but addresses as well (doesn't make them fraud-proof, but does make it harder to falsify). 4. How will you get it to the comapny? Petitions are usually mailed to the company in paper form. In this case asking them to check out your online petition demanding uncut anime won't work. Why should they take the time to visit the site and sift through all the 'sigs' bashing them and their work. Lets face it, they are just plain useless and get us nowhere. They don't do anything more than take up bandwidth and webspace. Last edited by Tiresias on Sat Jun 28, 2003 8:43 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Jkid
Posts: 197 Location: Capitol Heights ,MD |
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Why would sigs be disabled?
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Tiresias
Posts: 353 Location: Illinois, USA |
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From what I remember people weren't following the sigs rules in Teh Rules. Some people had banners that were too large and others had more text than was allowed making their sigs longer than the post itself. Basically abuse got them removed. It got kinda annoying going through a page of posts and seeing that 20% of it was sigspace. If you search backwards through the forum you should be able to find the topic and read the whole discussion.
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Anlushac11
Posts: 268 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana, USA |
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I thought this part of the article was good: "Yu-Gi-Oh is incredibly un-artful compared to most anime," Nornes says. "It's dull. It uses limited animation. Yu-Gi-Oh, like Pokemon, is mostly about making money." Actually I like Yu-Gi-Oh. But thats not saying much, I like Pokemon too. And I do not own anything Pokemon or Yugi related. I got hooked on Pokemon watching an imported PS(PS2?) game before I ever knew it was an anime. |
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Trom
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Why do people always say this? It's not like there's an overall controlling conspiracy which forces companies to ignore online petitions. Who really knows how they will react to it? You can't know in this a priori way that every major company will automatically ignore an online petition. Better way to say this is, the company will most likely see more value in this petition if it's more professionally done, which might include proper grammar, full names and addresses, even actual signatures. Of course in this case it's pretty safe to make a guess that 4kids will ignore this kind of petition. Unlike most of the other companies who are licensing anime, 4kids aren't fans. |
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Tiresias
Posts: 353 Location: Illinois, USA |
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This year at ACEN there were I think 7 companies being represented. I had the time to talk to reps from 4 of them while wandering the dealers room to find out ways of contacting them. In the course of my talking to the first two, I brought up the subject of online petitions. Lets just say that from their responses, I didn't even bother asking the last two I talked to about online petitions. I was told that requests to view online petitions are not considered by those companies and for the most part across the industry. The reasons I was given were those that I posted before. Besides, if online petitions are so useful, howcome they aren't used for bigger things, like the current recal effort in California. It's because in the eyes of those who require petitions to get things done, they are not yet a valid form of petition, in part because of the reasons I posted.
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Emerje
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No, ya think? Hate to be the one to break it to you, but Yugioh, no mater what the stories are like, is nothing more than a 23-minute-per-episode advertisment for a card game. Nothing more, nothing less.
What makes you say that? They are indeed fans, but they also need to make a profit as a business. Emerje |
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cookie
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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Because we know how they will react to it. Viz tried listening to an online petition for uncensored DB manga and got burned. There were ~10,000 entries on the petition, more than the number who convinced Disney to add the Japanese track to Mononoke, although it took a few more days to reach that number. Viz didn't expect a huge sales increase, but the uncensored DB manga was basically throwing money away, as they got basically no change in sales. It's too easy to make duplicate entries in online petitions. It's too easy to make new e-mail accounts, with no form of verification or proof that anyone who signed the petition actually existed. Additionally, typing ones name onto an e-petition and e-mailing it to the company takes no real time and no real effort. Because it takes no effort, it means that the signees have no real reason to follow-through with their commitment. As such, an e-petition carries almost no weight when determining business policy -- it's too easy to sign and forget. An e-mail drive, asking for people to e-mail the company would be more beneficial... a written letter campaign would be even more powerful. Hand-writing a letter takes time. If you can find 10,000 people willing to give up enough time to write a personalized letter, I guarantee you that the company will attempt to follow through on the request, provided it won't be financially disasterous to the company (10,000 people asking for "free manga" won't work, no matter how elegantly written!) the problem is, where are you going to find 10,000 individuals willing to contribute that sort of time and effort? |
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king_micah
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Its slacktivism.
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Loren Leah
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It's true that Yuugiou isn't high art, but there's much more to it than the card game. I find TCGs incredibly boring, but I watch Yuugiou (the Japanese version) and read the manga for the well-developed characters and the interesting plot. Unlike other modern cash cows--Pokemon, Beyblade, et al--Yuugiou actually started out as a humble Weekly Jump manga, less about merchandising and more about storytelling. I agree with the academic cited in the article that there's no comparison between Yuugiou and an Akira, a Grave of the Fireflies, etc. etc.; but it's a very entertaining and rewarding series nevertheless. |
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Cgoten
Posts: 390 Location: Glenview, Illinois |
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I haven't been reading Yu-Gi-Oh for very long, and I'm not too far into it... But it sounds to me like the guy in the article had no idea what the hell he was talking about. Just about the entire article was random statistics and things he obviously only knew cause people told him so. But then again, that's what a lot of news is. =p
As for online petitions, I've never bothered with them. As everyone has already said: they don't work. Maybe it's just because I'm pessimistic, but I've always thought that my opinion has no real effect on the situation, so I just keep my whining to myself. I really doubt any sort of petition will work, because 4Kids' series are exactly what their name suggests. For kids. They'll make more of a profit getting 8 year olds to watch their show on WB than if they marketed Yu-Gi-Oh completely uncut. Besides, Viz's translation of the manga isn't too bad. If you don't wanna see chopped up Yu-Gi-Oh, just buy the manga. |
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Shadowwave
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Try kids and parents media giant nickelodeon. Then your on the right track with kids love it! The company's name viacom networks.
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herbkir
Posts: 251 Location: Michigan |
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Online petitions are probably useless, but actual well-written letters and e-mails can have powerful effect on programming decisions. The classic example of this was in the late 1960s when sci-fi fans mounted a mail campaign to convince NBC to reverse its decision to cancel Star Trek after 2 seasons. Fans buried NBC under a mountain of postcards and letters (e-mail didn't exist then). The effort succeeded in winning a third season. More recently, I've seen anecdotes around the Web about how fanmails may have influenced Cartoon Network to keep Inuyasha in its Adult Swim lineup. The story (totally unconfirmed) is that AS was going to dump it because it attracted too many kids and every hiatus or break produced a flood of hate mail. Then, so the story goes, around March of this year there was a sharp turn in the amount and tone of the fanmails and they started getting lots of mails from mature and polite IY fans about how much they loved the show and why CN should keep it in their lineup. The positive/persuasive mails soon outweighed the hateful rants by better than 2 to 1 and favorably disposed the AS mgt. to IY. Great story, if true. Otherwise, yet another Internet legend. Of course, CN really got an idea about Inu's popularity from the AS messageboard, where in the first couple of weeks, over 10% of all the thousands of threads were about Inuyasha. and it still keeps getting mentioned more than any other particular AS show. AS acknowledged in one of their cards that the top thing they learned from their board was "Inuyasha Rules." (^_*)
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