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mewpudding101
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Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 11:39 pm
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Poor Lancer... He's not even on there. It's all right though... He's gone to the afterlife to be with his beloved Gráinne.
So everybody thinks Saber's hot stuff, huh? Well, she kind of is. I think she's the most powerful too.
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grooven
Joined: 16 Aug 2006
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Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 12:30 am
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I think Gil would be if he actually cared
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Stark700
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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Location: Earth
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 1:35 am
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My head is telling me to go with Archer right now
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SprintsMcGee
Joined: 19 Apr 2011
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 2:02 am
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Stark700 wrote: | My head is telling me to go with Archer right now |
Agreed, but I can't figure out why. Maybe past experience?
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ikillchicken
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 2:17 am
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I don't know how anyone can seriously vote for assassin when A) the show pretty much spells out that the assassin class is not very powerful in a fight and B) Assassin(s) get absolutely massacred by Rider.
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Megiddo
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:08 am
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I have no idea how Assassin is so high and particularly how Caster is not even on the list.
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jojothepunisher
Joined: 04 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:36 am
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I think the list should be:
1. Saber
2. Archer
3. Rider
4. Berserker
5. Caster
6. Assassin
7. Lancer
Even though I listed them out in order, I feel that Saber, Archer, and Rider are all equally strong, and I feel that in terms of 1-on-1, Berserker definitely is just as strong as Saber and Archer, if not even stronger. I put Caster and Assassin pretty low because individually they are pretty weak, and I can't think of how they can kill anyone above them on this list. I put lancer at the bottom because he will get owned by 1-3, and he is terribly weak in the field of large scale offense.
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The King of Harts
Joined: 05 May 2009
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Location: Mount Crawford, Virginia
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:58 am
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Do people watch this show? Because I could've sworn that in all the fights between Lancer and Saber, Lancer had the upper hand. Or, at the very least, was on equal ground. Hell, he even managed to mortally wound her by making her left hand useless. To have him not rank top five in a group of seven is absurd. Assassin being three is just another slap in the face.
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rejer
Joined: 16 Mar 2011
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:01 am
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This is no different from just a popularity list.
I think it should be like:
1. Archer
2. Saber
3. Rider
4. Berserker
5. Lancer
6.Caster
7.Assassin
Lancer is more strong and skilled than Caster and Assassin and I think it's possible for him to take on Berserker as well.
But Gil is the strongest servant for sure. It's just that he doesn't take anyone seriously and that causes him trouble.
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Vaisaga
Joined: 07 Oct 2011
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:46 am
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Gil is most certainly the strongest, especially in Zero. This is proven by the fact that he wins.
Saber could only beat him in FSN because of Avalon.
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SilverTalon01
Joined: 02 Apr 2012
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:10 pm
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The King of Harts wrote: | Do people watch this show? Because I could've sworn that in all the fights between Lancer and Saber, Lancer had the upper hand. Or, at the very least, was on equal ground. Hell, he even managed to mortally wound her by making her left hand useless. To have him not rank top five in a group of seven is absurd. Assassin being three is just another slap in the face. |
More like he used his trump card and only managed to wound her hand. I don't see how thats mortally wounded either. It just won't heal, other than that she can't use it, theres really no problem. Also, Saber at least believed she would still win as when she rechallenged him, it was pointed out she wasn't using the hand he had hurt... unless you want to claim Saber went there intending on throwing away her wish and the fight. The only reason they appeared to fight evenly is because Saber was holding back on excalibur. His fighting skill may be close to Saber, but what really determines their strength is their Noble Phantasms and his spears are clearly 2nd rate compated to Rider's reality marble, Gil's Gate of Babylon, and Excalibur.
Though I don't see why Saber is ranked that high other than simple favoritism. Anyone that has seen Fate Stay Night knows that without Avalon, which she doesn't have yet in Zero, she has absolutely no chance at ever beating Gil So at the very least ranking her above Gil is absolutely stupid. But if you look at the master's rankings, Waver is higher than Tokiomi... this is clearly just a popularity poll in disguise.
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Emerje
Joined: 10 Aug 2002
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:45 pm
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People seem pretty up in arms about this, but clearly missed the part about the poll taking place during the week of the second episode. This was basically based on looks and intuition. If they took this poll again the week after the series ends it's would be entirely different. Realistically, based on what I've seen, Caster should be at least #3 on the list, Assassin would be at the bottom. Something like this:
1) Archer
2) Saber
3) Caster
4) Rider
5) Berserker
6) Lancer
7) Assassin
For the Master list I'd probably move Waver to the bottom and push the list up. I'd place Kariya at 6 and Ryunosuke at 7.
Emerje
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ikillchicken
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:30 pm
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rejer wrote: | I think it should be like:
1. Archer
2. Saber
3. Rider
4. Berserker
5. Lancer
6.Caster
7.Assassin |
This seems like the common sense answer to me.
Saber, Archer and Rider are clearly in league of their own. Archer is probably the strongest at this time. Although obviously Saber does defeat him in FSN so she's at least close.
Berserker and Lancer are both reasonably strong but just not on par with the big three. I'd probably pick Berserker over Lancer though.
Caster and Assassin are undoubtedly the weakest. Although, Caster probably gets the edge especially if "powerful" doesn't just mean a straight fight.
Emerje wrote: | People seem pretty up in arms about this, but clearly missed the part about the poll taking place during the week of the second episode. |
Second episode of the second season.
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TheAncientOne
Joined: 06 Oct 2010
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Location: USA (mid-south)
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:11 am
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Vaisaga wrote: | Gil is most certainly the strongest, especially in Zero. This is proven by the fact that he wins. |
You must have watched a different F/SN than I did.
I was thinking the fact that Saber was the winner was what biased people toward her.
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Mirri
Joined: 12 Aug 2007
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:46 am
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TheAncientOne wrote: |
Vaisaga wrote: | Gil is most certainly the strongest, especially in Zero. This is proven by the fact that he wins. |
You must have watched a different F/SN than I did.
I was thinking the fact that Saber was the winner was what biased people toward her. |
I think he's talking about Zero re: the spoiler.
Personally, I would've put Berserker closer to the top. Zero Berserker with a master that's not a ridiculous bottleneck like Kariya would be pretty darn strong. Berserker's so powerful that just fighting with Saber ends up killing Kariya.
Saber with Avalon #1 no contest, though.
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