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keyper7
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First of all let me say that I am new to the site, I read the rules and frankly I don't know which side of the line this text is. If the moderators think it should be locked please do accept my sincerest apologies. From my part I tried to make it as little abusive as possible (both in vocabulary and content)
This is a way to release my frustration over a certain type of anime. I like anime, almost any type, comedy, drama, sci fi, epic, teenagers, middleagers, mystery, wacky, war stories, love stories, gun actions, many more and every possible combination of the above. I also occasionally enjoy a Hentai from time to time. However lately I have seen many variations of a certain idea. This whole “goshujinsama” thing, women being used by men as their slaves, pets, will-less dolls, sex toys and countless variations of the above. At this point I think I should mention that I’m a guy. A 23 year old guy with a steady relationship no less. However when I see this kind of thing I can’t but wonder how sick the guy or guys that thought of it were, not to mention the ones that paid a hefty sum of money to buy and watch this. And the worst part is that, although not all Hentai have this element, this kind of thing increases at an alarming rate. Basically they seem to obey the rule of, the newest they are, the more they are, stating that they are the ones that sell the most! Now this I really cannot understand. I’ve had the chance to see many recently (basically because I was given a large quantity to watch from someone that has “as long as it’s a guy-girl type I want it” criteria and 4 out of 5 were of that type) and was disgusted, only slightly erected (and I used the word erected instead of exited to state that it was a physical reaction as my mental reaction was revolving around the concepts of disgust, repulsion and the like) and generally my mind wandered less on the sex part and more on the “I’d like to beat this sadochistic prick senseless and generally give him a taste of his own medicine” concept. I’d like to know, am I the only one “stiff and unimaginative” enough to find all this plain sick, the only one that thinks that true satisfaction through sexual intercourse (I would dare not use the word “love” or love making here) comes from the knowledge of satisfying your partner’s needs and desires instead of you-know-what and making her lose herself in you rather than making her bend into your will through her sexual urges? I would really like to know what other people think, even if it is nothing I would like. |
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Klampo
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I think its all about fantasy and I personally feel sometimes its better to feed their needs via anime opposed to acting them out reallife.
I dont judge anyone's sexual quirks as everyone Im sure has some odd thing their into |
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It's Debateable
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You have to realize that while the creator's might be sick, how insane does one have to be to come up with crazy stories like that of Serial Experiments Lain or Paranoia Agent, which are not hentai. Both people are eccentric, just in different senses.
Also, who really cares? The hentai is funny 
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keyper7
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The anime VS live part I would agree. I can also understand the "quircks" part as a general rule. What I'm bothered about is the size of it. I seems to be a widely accepted and even prefered situation. What 2 (or perhaps more) people do in their own time of their own free will is indeed their own business. What really tips me off is the lack of free will or will at all, even a suppressed one. They are puppets and this simply enrages me. Not only the situation itself but the number of people who seem to enjoy it, in fact it seems to me this is the #1 content of the latest releases of the kind
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keyper7
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God I only posted it an hour ago, well, towards "It's Debateable" (is that your nick?) I have seen neither of the aforementioned shows (although P.A. is in my near future list, I was told that I will probably lose it but if I can follow it, it is a masterpiece) but I don't really think you can compare the two (again, I will have to see at least one to be sure about that comment). Furthermore it depends. Truly, I watch Hentai because I view them as fun(ny) but that was before I saw these latest ones. I mean, watch Xpress Train, it basically revolves around a person (looser?) that discovers the "wonderful" world of groping women (and more) inside a train! It certainly is on the "quirks" side, it even is a crime in the real world but it is presented in such a way that it actually is funny, there were several parts that I was laughing, real loud! Again there are others like Cage (and unfortunately many many others) that all it accomplished (at least for me) was a knot in my stomach and a profound feeling of hostility towards the offender. I know you can’t put all hentai in the same category, again what alarms me is the sheer number of the ones that do fall in that category (the sick and perverted ones)
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Cloe
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I quite agree with you on many points, keyper7 (in fact, I got in a little bit of a spat with some people a few months ago concerning an issue that was not entirely the same, but very similar to this one.) As a woman, my main concern is the way these girls are portrayed and am rather alarmed at the implications of these titles' sales. Is this really what men want in women? Anyway, I don't even want to jump back into that can of worms, but you can PM me and we'll have a grand old time complaining with each other. I would argue, however, that it's not just anime that does that. Most porn in general has themes of submission running through it, and it has been that way for ages. Do I think it's right? Not by any means. But is it harming anyone? Not really. Except maybe the girls who have to "act" in those things. At least with anime you know for certain that nobody's being taken advantage of. |
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keyper7
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Well, I am a man and I for one can tell you that at least not all men (and I would like to think, not most men) see women in such a way. I wouldn't even mention a relationship as this is based on feelings of love and respect towards one another but it's not about sex either. It's about domination. Basically I think they're a bunch of rejects that want revenge on all women for denying them. The fact that although they're almost being evil they still manage to bring women to ecstasy with such ease by making them feel cheap is more that enough of a proof. Thinking that it is all fake, a make belief does comfort me some but not enough to not feel overwhelmed by various negative feelings. I don't want to repeat myself (at least not so soon) about the main parts of my concerns. |
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v1cious
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umm... but hentai can inspire their real life behavior. there's a huge case in Japan right now involving this. on a lighter note, i've always wondered how they pick the voice actors they use for these series. just imagine the auditions. 
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darkhunter
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Man, you shouldn't take history class, or your head might explode. Throughout history women have been supressed, especially the history of japan...and yes even in the U.S. As for the hentai part, it's probably about power. To be in control is to have power, and most of these guys watching it want to feel that they have power over their partner. I know there are some guys that get turn on by dominatrix, but for the most part, most guys enjoy watching adult film in which the guys is in some way taking advantage of women. It's that perversm effect (like say incest taboo) that we know we shouldn't be watching because it's wrong but we still do becaues it spark our curiousy. It is the male that is usually the dominate one (taking controll, putting women in weird position) in any adult film. I'm not saying it right or wrong, but like any film/show/anime even videogames like GTA3, it's all part of the fantasy because we can't do in real life. Women are also guilty of getting pleasure from yaoi which involve. Yaoi is super popular right now. I don't think it's fair to ask if this is what women want. And think about it, harem series is strong as ever (probably the most popular genre). Is it possible that most real life geeky guy will get chase after by hot girls with huge boobs? HELL NO, but it's a good escape for most fan from their boring lonely life. Last edited by darkhunter on Sun May 22, 2005 3:22 am; edited 4 times in total |
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Ohoni
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Eh. Different strokes for different folks. You don't get off on that stuff, but apparently some do. If they are selling more and more of it then it's only because people are buying more and more of it, so apparently there's a large number of people who disagree with you.
Psychologically speaking it's likely got something to do with the women's movement, or more specifically a backlash to it, that the modern woman is empowered and semi-equal to men, which is a considerably uncommon state in world history (although far from unheard of), and a generationally recent development in western society. Understandably, many men have mental expectations as to the ideal role of women (that of 50 years ago perhaps), that they find is not met by reality. As a consequence, they might find the polar opposite to reality to be a pleasant fantasy. Of course this is a throroughly modern concept with no historical precedent, unless of course you count shows like I Dream of Genie (and to a lesser extent Bewitched). |
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Key
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I agree with what Klampo said. I don't watch much hentai because I don't care for all the rape/torture/bondage/submission stuff going around, and unfortunately that's almost pervasive in the genre. There are people who get off on that, though, and as long as they keep it to themselves and it keeps them from bothering anyone else with their fetishes, that's fine.
As for why it's so popular? Let's remember that Japan has always been a very patriarchal society. Perhaps young men feel threatened by a gradual push for greater gender equality over the past couple of decades, and this is being reflected in henati? Or maybe it's just that Japanese are just as prone (if not moreso) to sexual fetishes as any Western country. Why do you think panty shots are so popular in regular anime? 
Once in a while you can come across a good one devoid of that content. Virgin Touch is one, Sex Friends is another. But unfortunately they are few and far between. |
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msi435
 Posts: 465 Location: Behind you! |
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How I see it, most porn (or the most I have seen (and I’m talking about REAL life porn)) made in Japan is rape. It's something that they love over there for some reason. Every Japanese porn I see is always forced sex, or what seems like actual rape. Now I'm sure all of this is just acting but it gives me chills that a whole culture can getting off to rape so easily, I know I can't. The girls are always screaming and crying; I hate it! In hentai, it’s always either slave sex, rape, or some form of tentacle rape. All these themes bought about in hentai are common theme among all types of porn in Japan. As key mentioned there is some exceptions like sex friend, but those are very rare to find. It's really frustrating for me as a 17 year old male who needs pornography to survive (
 ); I love Japanese women but I can never watch porno with them in it because there always being degraded to some extent. It's a very strange place over there in Japan.
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angel_lover
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What if your partner needs and desires to be abused? It's only in a loving relationship that a person can experience such things in relative safety. I'm not going into any more detail because this isn't an SM forum... |
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keyper7
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First of all let me just say how overwhelmed I am from all this response so soon. There are many posts here and I'll try to at least cover most subjects although several were already covered by others.
About the fantasy part, it's just like v1cious said. It would be fine if this was just a way to release these urges, no matter how perverted they are but what if some will want to take it to the next level? It may not be real but it can very well ignite the fantasies of those certain individuals which may want more and more to turn this into reality. That in it’s own accord is dangerous enough! To darkhunter I agree with what you said, I even posted a very similar post earlier (the "bunch of rejects that want revenge on all women for denying them" part). Basically it wasn't as well put as yours but the general idea is the same. I myself like playing GTA3, GTA VC and even Carmageddon II and it is exactly because I want to blow off steam at sth that will not truly be hurt. I'm not about to take my car and go on a killing spree but these people are doing or want to do what they see (some of them at least). They even get more creative because of material such as this! As for the Yaoi, I try to steer clear of them as I am a "Boy with Girl" kind of guy but I do occasionally watch woman with woman (always depending on the content though, I am extremely picky on that) but that's not what I want either. I think it's just an expression of natural curiosity towards their desires. See how the other sex likes it in an attempt to better understand what they want and how. At least that's how I see it. As for the harem and the like, I think it's basically harmless if it stays as that since it is a way to help guys (and perhaps girls?) escape from their lonely realities without anyone (including the ones in the series) being hurt. It's the viciousness, the hostility and the pure desire for domination and the infliction of pain (physical or mental) that makes me reject the "goshujinsama" type in the way that I would accept the harem ones. (In fact I kinda like them since they end up giving me a lot of laugh...) Towards what Silent Bob (Super Arrow) had to say... Eh? Are you still chasing Amy? Towards Ohoni now, I already said that the large number of those people who like it is my primary concern. I can very well understand the reasons, I just think it's an unacceptable way of dealing with them. Even more so if one has the urge to make it real! As for what Key and msi435 said, I have a theory. I do think that Japanese are more prone to sexual fetishes because their way of life is one that greatly suppresses the individual for the sake of common good, more so because of the long depression they have there. As a country they owe to no one but as individuals, they have a pretty hard time making ends meet even if they do have a steady job (which many don't). As a result they are more in need of an outlet but what outlets they would choose is still an issue. There are reasons but that is no excuse. At least that's how I see it. Finally towards angel_lover. I already said that what 2 (or perhaps even more) people do in their own time and of their own free will is totally acceptable. If my partner needs and desires to be abused I either choose another partner or do as she pleases. Even if it is abuse it's what she wants and thus even this (degenerated as it may be) is an expression of love. Do you see my point? It still is of her own free will, I'm not forcing her into anything! My point was at making her do as I please and bending Her will! |
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angel_lover
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As my quote from your initial post was intended to show, I was commenting specifically on your statements about true satisfaction in a relationship, where you seemed to be putting 'satisfying your partners needs' and 'making her do what you want' as an either/or. I was just trying to point out that they aren't necessarily exclusive, you can have both in a loving relationship. |
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