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Mr Mania
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[Off topic, locked -s]
I know this is OT, however I remember when Episode II was released the mods allowed a thread so thought I would risk one. If this isn't allowed I apologise. So to the point, after 30 years the saga is finally complete. What did everyone think? I'll keep my opinion as short as I can. I personally loved it. Lucas has had his doubters (for good reason) but I feel with Episode III he has finally got it right. IMHO it’s easily the best of the new trilogy and possibly the best of the lot. The action was absolutely amazing. It had some of the best lightsaber battles yet. It wasn't until after the movie when I had a chance to take it in that I realised just how many battles it had. The special effects were excellent as well. The final Obi-Wan/Anakin battle was fantastic as was the Yoda/Palpatine battle. Speaking of which, Palpatine or whatever other name you choose to call him was in general absolutely fantastic, I'd have to say he is now my favourite bad guy of all time. Ian McDiarmid's performances in the first two, while solid, were somewhat subdued but in this one he got a chance to let rip and did a fantastic job at it. His snivelling when fighting Windu is great and I loved his cackling. In actual fact I was fairly impressed with the acting all round. McGregor finally seems to have got to grips with Obi-Wan which was nice to see, his acting after he has chopped down Anakin at the end was impressive. After watching Hayden Christensen give a fantastic performance in Shattered Glass I had high hopes for his acting in Episode III. In my opinion he gave a solid performance, it wasn't amazing by any stretch of the imagination but was a big improvement on episode II. The love scenes again weren’t particularly endearing but they weren’t awful either. My last point is that Lucas did a good job of linking up the six movies, I was having my worries that he wouldn’t be able to do it but after watching Episode III it all makes sense, at least most of it. The only disappointment was that Jar Jar wasn't killed but I can let Lucas off for that one. |
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rond556
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I hated every ounce of it. Not only did the lame scenes and acting ruin it, but it was just boring and I was craving to get out of the theater. The CG was unimpressive and all done before and better...The scene with Vader after he ws built was what drove the final stake into the already nailed shut coffin. He completely destroyed the character I grew up thinkin was the ultimate evil, and he's a damn crybaby even after he has the suit on. I BURST into laughter when Vader goes "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" There were a TON of inconsistancies and plot screw ups and cop outs...I thought it was worse than the previous two...forget that, I thought it was worse than the Matrix Revolutions
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TranceLimit174
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Episode III as a Star Wars movie is definitley better than the previous two. But as a movie I thought it was pretty bad.
First of all most of the dialogue in the movie is very flat. I'm guessing Jedi (its been a long time since I have watched the original trilogy) are not supposed to convey emotion. But even so the lines shouldn't sound like they are merely being read. I think this is George Lucas's fault and not the actors'. I'm fresh off of seeing it and I remember a scene where Padme breaks down, and it seems like she really wants to let out the emotion but restricts herself. In my opinion that's the fault of the director not the actor. Lines such as "Oh no I'm hit." should have some level of exclimation. I mean if Lucas wanted emotionless characters it should have been handled like Soujiro from Kenshin. No emotion shown but at least life is injected into the lines when they are spoken. Each character in the movie came off as shells, aside from the ending and probably Palpatine. Everything seemed very forced to me (such as a guest appearance from a fan favorite. His cameo begs for applause) and also another reason things are forced is because the plot called for it to happen. Also I thought there was a level of inconsistency in the movie. I'm still toiling with why Anakin went to the Dark Side. It seems like fingers were just snapped and he decided to change. I mean it kind of makes sense but if Anakin was so devoted I don't think he would have been swayed so easily and so steeply. Plus I didn't like the fact that all of the Jedi (save for Yoda and Obi Wan) went down so easily. I mean I thought Jedi Masters were masters for a reason. I'm talking about the Jedi who spoiler[get gunned down by the clones]. I also thought the writing fell here and there. Best example is Anakin and Padme's "I love you", "No I love you" exchange. Aside from tying things into Episode IV (which I feel was a little squeezed in), the ending was good. Had the emotion from the final half hour been in the previous 2 the movie would have been good and I would have cared for the characters. But since the movie doesn't help you connect with the characters the ending doesn't have the impact that it intends to. On the positive side excellent CG. The special effects were fantastic. I also enjoyed the final showdown between Obi Wan and Anakin as well as Yoda (he really got to shine, it shows why he is THE Jedi master) and Sidious's battle. The ending is satisfying and a pleasure to watch aside from my above criticism and I thought it was satisfying. Its a shame that the rest of the movie wasn't as entertaining and engaging. Overall I think Lucas fell short of his mark. Episode I-III are not the epic that he wanted it to be. Star Wars Episode III-Revenge Of The Sith is the best 2 1/2 hr. toy commercial I have ever seen. (edit: In response to the above post the Darth Vader we know was ruined. I mean he gets off the table like a robot (kinda like CP30 would). And for some reason has a small amount of amnesia. He also let out the lamest "Nooo" outcry I have ever heard.) |
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Mr Mania
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But that's just it Darth Vader isn't ultimate evil, the story of Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywalkers fall to the darkside and ultimate redemption. We knew from the originals that he wasn't completely evil.
Yeah I thought that myself. Especially with Ki Adi Mundi(I think that’s his name), I thought he might have put up a better fight. That said to be fair it would have slowed the movie down if we had seen every Jedi putting up a big battle before getting killed which wouldn't have been a good thing.
I actually thought that was handled rather well. The fact that he wanted the powers of the darkside to save Padme made a lot of sense. I think from the point when he had pledged himself to the darkside the idea was that it started to take control over him quicker, kind of the once you've crossed the line there is no going back idea. On another note I thought it was great when Anakin killed the young Jedi (not that I'm a sicko or anything). You don't get much darker than that. |
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TranceLimit174
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Yeah I understand the reasoning. However Anakin was very loyal to the Jedi code. He based every decision of his according to it. Which is why he found fault on both ends. The only reason why he did what he did to Windu was because it went against the code. But as he falls back we see he mourns it. And seeing as how he seemed so strongly alleged to the Light Side of the Force and the Jedi Council, it would make more sense that he would learn the arts to achieve his goal but not completely turn. I understand him going there but I said what caught me off guard was that he went so steeply. Based on his character the change was pretty instant because he was so far on one end of the spectrum and then so quickly switched to the other. Trying to play both sides or even having not as dramatic of a change would have made more sense to me. The transformation seemed so instant because it was so extreme. |
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Mr Mania
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I don't think he was ever that strongly devoted to the light side of the force, he always had problems following the code. Remember after all he massacred the sand people in II. I agree he did change to very evil very quickly. One second he felt bad about Windu and the next he was killing kids. Like I said all I can put that down to was my crossing the line comment. It was interesting that Windu was going kill the Empereror though, if he hadn't done that Anakin but not have turned.
The thing is he couldn't learn them arts without fully emerging himself in the darkside. |
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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Yeah... I couldn't buy into the romance... but at the same time, I've seen enough of Natalie Portman's work to see that she's a pretty good actress.
I gotta fault the director on that. I also would have much preferred Padme actually have been mortally wounded by Anakin - to the point that she died after childbirth. It would have felt a little more authentic. At least they could have made her look gravely ill before dying! I could have accepted that much. And now, for my favorite cop out/inconsistency. Obi-wan had to train on Tatooine to be able to communicate with his old mentor, right? This hurts concepts in the original Star Wars saga. It doesn't appear that Luke had to go through the training to see Obi-wan, so it's a problem in my book. I thought the action scenes and light saber battles as a whole were well done. But the writing was flat, and the directing as a whole was not well done.
Nah... I'll buy him having problems getting off the table... after all, he's just getting used to the suit/machine body and moving for the very first time. The "Noooo" was pretty bad though... it just came off as cliched and cheesy. The conventions of mechanical acting might have been better applied than the overacting that occoured here. Last edited by Godaistudios on Thu May 19, 2005 10:17 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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msi435
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The one thing I like about the movie was, it was everything I expected it to be. It wasn't much worse or much better than my expectations, it was just right. It did have some rough edges (the Vader cry -_-, ) , but when you get down to it, all 6 movies, together, as one cohesive story, is not that bad at all... in fact it's fairly enjoyable to watch ... but then again I saw the 12:00 showing and I was really tired... so maybe it wasn't that good... or maybe.. Just maybe... It was much better...
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rond556
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You're right. I just worded that wrong. I meant more along the lines of supreme badass who just doesn't care. It ruined THAT image
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Ataru
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Ep 3 make up for Jar Jar.
I loved the final two lightsaber battles. Many people that I went with was confused on why Yoda gave up, but lets face fact, everyone has a better, and Yoda was fighting him. Atleast they brought up the deal with the ghost in the rest of the epiodes. Other that, I'm going to see again since the folks and sister didn't want to make the midnight showing. |
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littlegreenwolf
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George Lucas is now ok in my book, because now I finally have a prequel I'll happily watch before watching the original trilogy. I don't think I've touched the other two since I bought them, but this, episode 3, is definatly the story of Darth Vader.
And also, I'm happy that this movie is possibly scaring the shit out of all little kids who thought Anakin Skywalker was cool. Vader is now back to scary status, at least among children. Putting a PG13 rating on this movie was the best move Lucas has done with the series in the last 10 years. |
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Sir_Brass
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Honestly man, when did you learn to read my thoughts? 
Episode 1 was one of the biggest let-downs EVER, I mean that movie just BLEW. Episode 2 was somewhat redeeming and would've been pretty darn good if it weren't for the actor playing anakin (forgot what his name was) playing the part as if anakin were shinji ikari with a lightsaber and a killing instinct (read as 'major whiny angst') instead of the 19 year old idealistic jedi apprentice who was head-over-heels in love like he should've been. But Ep III got it right. Got it ALL right. I just can't stop geeking out here. So stinkin' awesome that movie was that stop talking like Yoda I cannot do .
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Mr Mania
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To be fair though Lucas has never been known as a good actor director, he admits that himself. I remember when I went to see a special screening of the Indy trilogy and John Rhys Davis was there, when asked who he preferred working with he said defiantly Spielberg as Lucas just walked around grunting all the time.
Agreed. I didn't actually know it was a PG13 until the movie started, it defiantly pays off. Glad to see I wasn't the only one who liked it.
The powers off the darkside lead to unnatural powers. |
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Sir_Brass
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*ignites 2 green lightsabers* Bring it 
Anyway, the acting is part of what star wars is, just like the plethora of super gundams is part of the gundam story. it's cheesy, yes, but it's part of why we love it. That, and I liked the love scenes. The lines where corny, but the visual acting was VERY good. I mean, Anakin and Padme simply looked and ACTED like a couple VERY much in love. That was very well done on their part. I also liked it that Jar Jar had no lines in the movie, and his expression at the end during spoiler[Padme's funeral procession] was good. As for anakin turning to the darkside, I see it as Palpatine couldn't completely turn him, so he simply enslaved him. He used the conflict between light and dark in anakin to get him to do evil. Anakin turned down the dark path first out of anger, then later out of grief. I liked it at the end when Palpatine tells him a (modified) version of the truth (spoiler[padme died on her own, not because anakin himself killed her. she died of a broken heart]) and you see that the emperor has enslaved darth vader to his (the emperor's) will through vader's grief over his own actions. We see even when he is evil, he is crying. As we see in the original trilogy, there is STILL GOOD in him. He is in despair, though. He feels that there is no turning back and that he can't do anything but keep going on the path he is on. As he says in the original trilogy, "You do NOT understand. I MUST obey my master." Vader is one of the most powerful sith ever, but he was not turned by his own ambition, but by his own rage and grief over his own evil. He still holds some goodness with him, even though he commits acts of pure evil now. That there was still good in him is the reason Luke was able to redeem him. This 3rd movie enhances my impression of Vader as a strong man broken into an evil man who is redeemed by his son. That doesn't ruin the badass image, it just makes it better. It makes him more believable. To see him broken and torn (that is who vader is: a broken and torn man, despite outward appearances of being in control) makes the badass image better. he's a real badass, not some plastic, cookie cutter super villian. |
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Aaron White
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