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Case



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 1:04 am Reply with quote
This is going to be a difficult question to word, but I'm going to try anyway.

Here recently I've heard some people talk about anime that "is boring because it moves slowly, like [the] manga" or anime that is "differently paced" from its manga counterpart.

I'm not sure what that means.

What is the pace of manga, exactly? Why do so many people seem to think that manga tells stories slowly? And what speed does an anime need to move at to be in sync with its printed counterpart (assuming, of course, that one exists)?

Should each episode of the anime correspond to one collected volume of the manga? Or one chapter of the manga? Or should it be based on some other, less statistical criteria? (Since the events in an anime take place at near-real time, whereas the speed at which a manga moves depends on how fast a person reads and interprets the information?)

Does that make any sense at all?

If so, any opinions?
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radicaledward



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 8:28 am Reply with quote
I'm not sure myself what they mean, but I would guess that it means that the story line moves slowly, or the animation is relitivly static. In my experence you have a tendency to either look down upon the anime if you read the manga first, or look down upon the manga if you watch the anime first. Realy it's just a matter of personal opinion - you realy can't compare anime and manga, because it is two different formats.
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hakootoko



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 9:17 am Reply with quote
Some people talk about anime "catching up" to the manga, because the manga is released in weekly installments and then the anime is released one episode per week. Since it takes several weekly installments of manga to make one episode, if the manga is still running, the anime eventually catches up and has to invent stories or stop prodcution.
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Case



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:56 pm Reply with quote
hakootoko wrote:
Some people talk about anime "catching up" to the manga, because the manga is released in weekly installments and then the anime is released one episode per week. Since it takes several weekly installments of manga to make one episode, if the manga is still running, the anime eventually catches up and has to invent stories or stop prodcution.


While that's very true... That isn't the kind of "speed" I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the speed the story moves at, not the frequency of releases.
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Dan42
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 1:36 pm Reply with quote
This is a matter of each individual's perception. When you read a manga, you subconsciously fill in what happens between one panel and the next. If in panel 1 person A is facing person B and in panel 2 that same person A is facing person C, normally you'll assume that between those two panels person A turned from B to C. And every reader will have they own interpretation of how much time elapses between panels 1 and 2. It won't be a big difference, but if you consider each small difference between each panel... it adds up quick. Moreover, I think this is colored by the speed at which you read a manga. The faster you read, the more you'll feel the animated version has a slow pace.

For example, I think that the Hikaru no Go anime is an incredibly direct translation from the manga; each panel in the manga corresponds to a scene in the anime, or something like that. Yet I feel that the anime moves too slowly because the manga was so involving that I read it at fast as I could. This could also be due to the anime using too much filler between each panel of the manga. If the manga has Hikaru at point A in one panel and point B in the next, I think the anime spends too much time showing him walking from A to B. But as I said previously, this is a matter of personal interpretation.

If you take Hunter X Hunter, the anime moves at a considerably slower pace than the manga. I think each chapter of the manga corresponds to one episode of the anime. But the anime takes its time to develop the characters, to add details and atmosphere, resulting in a much more fulfilling experience.

Ultimately, I think manga is a lot faster to read than anime is to watch, so every comparison of pace will almost invariably say that the anime is slower. Or at least I've never heard of an instance where the anime is faster than the manga.
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cyrax777



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:34 pm Reply with quote
Then theres shows you have to compress the manga ie Berserk or like Hellsing were u run out of Manga and have to add something new. Or X manga still running no end in site....
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Case



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 2:20 am Reply with quote
Dan42 wrote:
For example, I think that the Hikaru no Go anime is an incredibly direct translation from the manga; each panel in the manga corresponds to a scene in the anime, or something like that. Yet I feel that the anime moves too slowly because the manga was so involving that I read it at fast as I could.


Ah, you understand exactly what I'm talking about. I must have made some sense, then. Go me. Very Happy

Dan42 wrote:
If the manga has Hikaru at point A in one panel and point B in the next, I think the anime spends too much time showing him walking from A to B. But as I said previously, this is a matter of personal interpretation.


Fair enough.

Speaking solely for yourself, then, what would you say is the ideal "speed" for an anime made from a manga? Should each episode correspond to a specific division of the manga, or should it follow more with the ebs and flows of the action with less regard to the stopping points established in the manga?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 10:19 am Reply with quote
I choose B: it should follow more with the ebs and flows of the action with less regard to the stopping points established in the manga.

In fact, all anime, regardless of whether it's adapted from manga or not, depends on the director's skill to make the action flow naturally. So sometimes if the anime doesn't flow as well as the manga, it may simply a matter of the director not controlling the medium well enough.
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ownerizer



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 11:33 am Reply with quote
Manga speed?

I bet it's faster than a ricer.
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0Tsukasa0



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 4:04 pm Reply with quote
Whats a ricer?
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cyrax777



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 4:17 pm Reply with quote
0Tsukasa0 wrote:
Whats a ricer?


a rice burner ie a POS car with a bunch of chrome, aftermarket spoiler, cherrybomb muffler, etc etc
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