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ailblentyn



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:06 pm Reply with quote
I have been watching Tweeny Witches of late. And frankly, until today, not enjoying it hugely. The animation takes such shameless short-cuts. And even more than that, the lack (as it seemed to me) of a sense of reality was getting to me. We see the three little witches hanging out in the different rooms of their Dragon House, but I felt I just knew that the creators had never drawn up a floor plan and worked out exactly how the space worked. It didn't feel that real at all; it felt to me as if the show were just spinning a sequence of superficial images.

And then I saw this scene in Episode 10 (or, if you prefer, "Destiny 19") and I just cracked up.

(This shot lasts for an entire dinner conversation, all shown as distorted through a jar on the kitchen shelf.)

Suddenly, I found myself getting emotionally what was fun about the show. "You crazy show," I thought, "you're just all about style over substance, aren't you? You revel in it!" And now I'm really quite enjoying Tweeny Witches.

Regardless of whether you agree with my personal take on Tweeny Witches, have you also had a single moment in a show when everything changed as far as your appreciation?
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The King of Harts



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:44 pm Reply with quote
Episode 6 of Welcome to the NHK when Satou had his freak out in the classroom. Before that point, I thought this was a darker comedy and was playing his hikkikomori life for kicks. However when he runs away screaming, it hits me and I go "This...this...isn't a joke". When that happened I saw the show in totally new light from weird comedy to dark drama. I still think NHK is one of the most depressing shows I've ever seen, and I thought it was a comedy at first!
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ThePoliced



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:23 pm Reply with quote
I remember when Faye came into scene in Cowboy Bebop. Unlike most heroines, she's a kickass, selfish bitch, but in a way that gives u this deja vu, like "huh.. I've met people like that". Really cool. The show wudnt have been the same if she was just some dumb goody good eye-candy.

And yea... besides that, if a show doesn't grab me from the start, it sucks IMO. Kinda like clannad, when it got all gay i dropped it. Garbage show.
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swienke



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:17 pm Reply with quote
Considering what an interesting topic this is, this thread really needs more love. Come on lurkers, give it some love!

Anyways, for me, Momiji's talk with Tohru about his family in Fruit's Basket definitely changed how I viewed the show. Up until that point the series was a fairly lighthearted and endearing romantic/family comedy suffused with a noticeable but far from overwhelming sense of melancholy. But hearing Momiji talk about spoiler[how the Sohma curse had led to his mother's total rejection of him, culminating in the erasure of all her memories of him as her son, and how he was forced to play along and pretend that he was just a member of the extended family while his parents and little sister got to enjoy a typically happy family life] was absolutely heartbreaking, and forced me to realize the deep, painful depths that this sweet little series was capable of delving into.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:50 pm Reply with quote
From the first episode of Katanagatari you're presented with a show about a goofy fighter and a weird take on a tsundere who you figure will now go off to battle a ninja and /or sword bearer each episode of increasing difficulty and these villains will be cackling and/or egotistical headcases.

As the show moves on there are multiple ways that they show that they actually care very little for this usual and traditional villain dichotomy and upend your expectations a number of times and while these scenes are cumulative I think there was one small early scene that really keyed me into how much they were going to play around with it.
In the third episode they spend a good amount of time setting up the appearance of the third ninja, Kuizame Maniwa, and when he finally shows up he starts to let go with the typical blather and exposition.... and then he is spoiler[taken out.... instantly.] I was so happy. Yes they had sort of done the same thing in the second episode, but without the build-up, so it just gave you the impression that it's the sword-weilder and/or "big bad" that's most important. spoiler[But when Kuizame Maniwa, the only real villain of the episode, is killed ]you know the role of the villain is not so important and just about anything can happen. And certainly the show delivers on other expectation shaking developments as it continues.
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Dorcas_Aurelia



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:56 pm Reply with quote
The second time I watched Melody of Oblivion in the first episode. Possibly around the time the bus first appeared. I made it through to about episode 7 on my first attempt, but the further in I got, the more frustrated the show made me. I tried to take the show seriously, in its premise anyway. The various powers and robots weren't too much weirder than any given shonen action show, but something about the way the characters acted just grated on me. I can't remember quite what it was that bothered me so much, but the drama was frustrating and the characters were intolerable, so I gave up. Then several months later I tried again.

A bus with the horns and legs of a bull. The heroes ride flying motorcycles and shoot magical arrows (the female characters charge them in blatantly erotic methods). The attacks utilizing the magic arrows named after poker hands. Monsters turning humans into ridiculous inanimate objects. Laughable Engrish names for the human villains. Why had I tried to take any of this seriously? I realized watching this show as a comedy show rather than an action one greatly improved my tolerance for it to the point that I actually enjoyed it. And it just got wackier the further in it went.
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wanderlustking



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:06 pm Reply with quote
I had started to suspect as much much earlier, but the game show and theme park episodes of Ergo Proxy seemed to go out of their way to confirm that the creators were pulling shit out of thin air, and didn't actually know where the hell they were going.
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ThePoliced



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:45 pm Reply with quote
oh come on, why do u have to complain about 2 or 3 little episodes
and why does it have to go anywhere? Episodic animes r around and they're pretty good. But i do agree on smth with u, the game show was garbage. But the theme park ep was pretty cool, and the pun at Disney was pretty clever.

For me, eRGO proxy grabbed my nuts when spoiler[ Vincent sailed on his weird ass ship with the others. Eventually they all died except him, just to face that god forsaken wasteland alone and the ongoing war between the remnants of an army of replicating men and an army of machines.] I'd say thats messed up.
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Brent Allison



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:24 am Reply with quote
When Tsubasa from Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou had exploded into an atomic cloud after her future boyfriend said he thought she was younger than he was, that was the turning point for me for being an anime fan. That scene was beyond awesome, and with me and everyone else in my new anime club cheering, hooting, and clapping at the explosion, I knew that I had found a new favorite genre of entertainment.
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Listeria



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:47 am Reply with quote
swienke wrote:
Considering what an interesting topic this is, this thread really needs more love. Come on lurkers, give it some love!

Anyways, for me, Momiji's talk with Tohru about his family in Fruit's Basket definitely changed how I viewed the show. Up until that point the series was a fairly lighthearted and endearing romantic/family comedy suffused with a noticeable but far from overwhelming sense of melancholy. But hearing Momiji talk about spoiler[how the Sohma curse had led to his mother's total rejection of him, culminating in the erasure of all her memories of him as her son, and how he was forced to play along and pretend that he was just a member of the extended family while his parents and little sister got to enjoy a typically happy family life] was absolutely heartbreaking, and forced me to realize the deep, painful depths that this sweet little series was capable of delving into.


I would agree with you. That was a heartbreaking moment for me too because Momiji's portrayed as a jolly little boy.
Another pivotal moment of viewing for me is from Elfen Lied spoiler[where Kurama comes face to face with his monster of a daughter. I believe this scene was in episode 12 or 13. Kurama was about to kill his daughter at point blank range but she says (probably not the exact words in dubbed), "All my life I waited for the door to open and see you and mommy ready to bring me home and this is what I get?" Oh dear that near broke my heart. Especially since Kurama still decides to kill her and himself in the process.]
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animeandshakespeare



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:20 pm Reply with quote
Bright-slap! Need I say more?
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Unicorn_Blade



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:33 am Reply with quote
I must mention the absolute brilliance in the portrayal of characters and changing the viewers perception of them within mere seconds. Bravo for Eureka 7! I found the first 12/15 episodes quite offputting. Then a few episodes were all right, but still not what would hook me on.
Then episodes 27/28 with Charles and Ray spoiler[attacking the Gekkostate] were absolutely brilliant. What I found very powerful about them was that previously to those two episodes Charles and Ray did seem like the bad guys as opposed to Holland and his team. We are lead to think that they make a deal with the army because of money and some other unsettled business, but we have no idea what the business actually is. And I think most viewers really cheer for Holland spoiler[when he kills Charles].


It's when until we see the flashbacks and Talho explains a few things from their past that we realise how amazing of a couple Ray and Charles actually were. And that Ray had reasons for hating Eureka- spoiler[since it was because of her that Ray was unable to have children she wanted so badly, while Eureka became an adopted mother for the awful trio and even Renton chose her over his almost-parents.]
The scene in which spoiler[dying Ray is derperately looking for the arm with her wedding ring that got torn apart during the explosion] comes as a revelation and changes the perception of the characters.





Beast Player Erin.

From the beginning it seemed like a lighthearted series aimed at younger audience. There were hints of politics and more serious things about to come, but it was not until the episode when spoiler[Erin's mother is sentenced to death being fed to wild Todas, the heartbreaking goodbye scene and the sacrifice of the mother] that showed how mature of the series Erin actually can become.
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wanderlustking



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:34 am Reply with quote
ThePoliced wrote:
oh come on, why do u have to complain about 2 or 3 little episodes
and why does it have to go anywhere? Episodic animes r around and they're pretty good. But i do agree on smth with u, the game show was garbage. But the theme park ep was pretty cool, and the pun at Disney was pretty clever.

For me, eRGO proxy grabbed my nuts when spoiler[ Vincent sailed on his weird ass ship with the others. Eventually they all died except him, just to face that god forsaken wasteland alone and the ongoing war between the remnants of an army of replicating men and an army of machines.] I'd say thats messed up.
I don't have a problem with episodic anime in general (Cowboy Bebop is one of my favorite shows), but if a show acts like it is going somewhere or has a narrative purpose but just meanders it's way through the last three fourths with nothing but fancy philosophy references to show for it, I get impatient and leave.
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