Forum - View topicHey, Answerman! - Merry Holidaymas
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3 Next Note: this is the discussion thread for this article |
Author | Message | |||
---|---|---|---|---|
poonk
Posts: 1490 Location: In the Library with Philip |
|
|||
Come to think of it though, my B&N store never regularly stocked any explicit manga like that. I always had to special order it. |
||||
HyugaHinata
Posts: 3505 |
|
|||
Gimme gimme gimme! That aside, it is both perniciously neglectful, possibly criminally negligent, to leave content such as this in easy viewing range of any child who walks into the store. Parents would also be getting a false impression as to the content of the manga. |
||||
BitShifter
Posts: 23 |
|
|||
I absolutely think that the free public library and its widespread adoption of lending CDs and DVDs to kids has raised a generation of morally insensitive borrowers. It's scary to think about, but soon we're going to have a whole crop of kids who will literally have no concept of the idea of going to a store and buying a CD or a DVD. Perhaps all the internet did was turn it from a regulated, government-approved, consecutive group of people experiencing something for free into an unregulated, unapproved, simultaneous horde experiencing something for free... The desire to experience art and culture for free isn't all that new, it's just the ease of obtaining it that has gone off the charts. |
||||
Charred Knight
Posts: 3085 |
|
|||
Except millions of people didn't steal DVDs from a library. With a library you return the DVDs after you finish watching them. With Fansubs and scanslations you burn them to a DVD or CD-RW. |
||||
BitShifter
Posts: 23 |
|
|||
Hmm... that almost sounds like you're okay with it if the person watching the fansub or reading the scanlation doesn't burn off a copy onto a fixed medium for re-use later. I believe that Brian was disapproving of the mere act of reading unpaid-for content, whether the kid makes a permanent copy or not; to wit, his indignation (rightfully so) of kids reading manga in bookstores without buying them. I'm not sure that by not making a "hard copy" of something that you watch/read for free that it makes it morally more acceptable... (although it's certainly less legally prosecutable) And I bet there are a lot of teens who know how to burn copies of CDs and DVDs that they check out of the library before they return them... |
||||
wandering-dreamer
Posts: 1733 |
|
|||
Well remember, assuming that the kids aren't just burning the DVDs they borrow, the library did originally pay for their copies of the DVDs which is more than what a fansub watcher can say. And companies like Netflix pay a fee to rent out DVDs, the point being that even in those cases the creators are getting paid and that is preferable.
|
||||
InnocentSorrow59
Posts: 156 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
|
|||
Worst one of this year? (I'd mail it in but I are not because I forgot my password to me email -_-)
Hitman Reborn (okay, I know it's not from this year but it ENDED this year xD). I liked it up until the ending, or rather the ending to the anime since the manga is going on. It's so cliche and annoying now. It has about as much plot as Bleach (but at least Bleach has good art and can be entertaining). Kuroshitsuji II. Granted, I love it, but as a sequel it was pretty weak. D.Gray-man (Again not from this year.) Seriously. I loved it at first but now... The manga went from "WTF is going on" to "ಠ_ಠ What the hell is going on?" And I gotta say, the Internet is making an age of piracy. Heck, a lot of people asked to borrow my Hetalia DVD so that they could burn it. WTF. |
||||
BitShifter
Posts: 23 |
|
|||
Hmm.. so if the person that created the fansub paid for the original copy of the anime he used, or the scanlator paid for the original copy of the manga before translating it, it would be okay? I'm sure you'll agree, no, not really; the major difference is that only one person at a time can watch a library copy (consecutive), while a near infinite number can watch a fansub on the internet at one time (simultaneously). That, plus the library has government approval, while the fansubber certainly does not. My point was, I'm not sure that raising a generation of "morally insensitive thieves" necessarily began with the internet. By the early 90's, teens had access to VCRs which could could copy any movie or TV show from broadcast TV or premium movie channels, so it could be watched over and over again; CD players with tape decks that would allow them to spool off copies of their friend's CDs onto cassettes, to listen to over and over again; and dual cassette decks with high-speed dubbing to make copies of other cassettes. The only thing that's really happened in 20 years is that copies are now easier, faster, and perfect; and you don't even have to know a friend or get a library card to get the original content; you can get it from the internet. But that doesn't mean that a teen with limited disposable income wanting to get something for free, and using technology to get it, suddenly began with the internet. How many teens of the 90's who spooled off their friend's Nirvana CDs onto cassette or taped X-Files off TV rather than buying pre-recorded VHS tapes have grown into "morally insensitive thieves"? Maybe that's where it started. I mean, the ship for stopping the creation of "morally insensitive thieves" might have sailed two decades ago... |
||||
Jaymie
Posts: 915 |
|
|||
Kuroshitsuji II was an extreme disappointment. A-1 Pictures went down their own path, comparable to what happened to the first Fullmetal Alchemist, but they turned a slashable series into a full-out BL-fest.
The first scene is of a stark naked 14 year-old boy who was raped by his adoptive father. I was expecting a dark, gothic Victorian tale similar to the manga or the first half of the first season, and instead I got shota ass. It went downhill from there. |
||||
Charred Knight
Posts: 3085 |
|
|||
I am being realistic here, yes downloading fansubs are wrong, but the problem only becomes a problem when millions of people start burning anime to watch later instead of buying it. You're not likely to get millions of people to get library cards just to burn anime on to a DVD. |
||||
animefan1238
Posts: 301 Location: Ma |
|
|||
If I like a show I download it and keep it. If its going to get licenced then I delete it and wait for it to come out. I buy it, watch it and display it on my shelf. I love buying, watching, and collecting. Best anime I have seen in 2010: Otome Yokai Zakuro. I don't care what anyone says. It is well drawn and the story is great. It's a show I can't wait to see every week. I girlfriend says if someone doens't licence it then there is something wrong. Other shows like K-ON, So-Ra-No-Wo-To, Durarara!!, etc are great. I feel Otome Yokai Zakuro is a step above in story and animation. Of course the death of Satoshi Kon hit us all as anime fans really hard and made us sad/upset that he was taken from us with so much more stories to tell us. The Dream Machine I will see when it gets released. Raise a glass to Mr. Kon this New Year's, I know I will. |
||||
Sunday Silence
Posts: 2047 |
|
|||
Um, isn't that called incest? Rape is something completely different spoiler[given that several episodes later, Alois actually "tempts" his "father" by wearing a kimono and acting sexually suggestive.] |
||||
dewlwieldthedarpachief
Posts: 751 Location: Canada |
|
|||
A company selling their product to a public library consents to this usage. A fansubber does not obtain this consent. That's a significant difference.
And we all agree that that's immoral? I don't. It was (and still is, AFAIK) perfectly legal to record broadcast television on a VHS. You can also do it on your PVR or HTPC; they even sell video capture cards expressly for the purpose. The guys on the engagdet HD podcast talk about it all the time. If it's illegal, then nobody seems to be making any noise about it. And the RIAA and MPAA ever so love to make noise. Anyway, the crucial difference within the domain of fansubs is that the individual revenue a cable or dish company got from subscribers recording content is diminished to the one person who's now dishing their content to everyone; content providers couldn't keep up with the technology and they will continue to feel the burn until they do. It sure sucks to be them, but it's not like content providers have never thrown turds our way; are you keeping up with the news surrounding Comcast and their charging double for the same data? They can and will get their weasely way unless the FCC or someone starts enforcing some standards. And that's what it all comes down to: it's like what Hobbes said; you need to make laws and then enforce those laws. Otherwise, they might as well not exist. |
||||
Dorcas_Aurelia
Posts: 5344 Location: Philly |
|
|||
No, incest is sex between biologically related individuals, rape is non-consensual sex. Also, being a tease later doesn't retroactively grant consent. |
||||
Cheesecracker
Posts: 240 |
|
|||
I'm willing to consider that you're mocking the notion of obviousness regarding outcomes. Other than that it seems like you're trying to present a (skewed?) perspective of what the libraries are actually doing and then hold it near a discussion on piracy and let people try to reconcile the two as if it were a valid point. Libraries are a legally sanctioned means to which the general public was able to access information/resources. Sharing of commercially offered materials in a way that subverts the intended process is not. The concepts are not complex. The problem is ancient. How to coexist with others. Harmony or dissonance. Parasitic or symbiotic. Each is valid and will be opposed. Nobody is pure and perfection is a myth. This topic is like two immortals trying to draw on the same piece of paper. Both creating their image while trying to erase the other's at the same time. All the while, trying to find some way to get the other to stop. |
||||
All times are GMT - 5 Hours |
||
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group