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Brain Diving - Youth Brigade: Clearing up the Tokyo Youth Ordinance Bill

I've been reading Marvel Comics and DC Comics for 20 years now, and I have to say I have never seen a girl getting raped or 2 girls/2 boys making out in any of the Spider-Man, Batman, X-Men or Superman comics. I guess Marvel Comics and DC Comics are attacking American FREE SPEECH and creativity.

On another note: Who's up for VOTING torontoanimemeetup the title of biggest forum wacko? Honestly I have never read such an ill-informed post in my life. He claimed that he was a comic reader and had never seen gay comic characters, I guess he has never heard of Norhtstar or Apollo and Midnighter, I guess he just only reads comics that don't have gay people in it. Then he tries to attack Brian for being morally irresponsible by calling him a "retard", yeah that's very moral of him. Then the rest of his post is mindless ramblings which prove his limited knowledge of the topic.

Maybe torontoanimemeetup should pitch his rant to Fox and Friends, I'm sure some crazy person over there would care about it. In the mean time, people who actually know about what they are talking about can continue to have a developed conversation.

Rape and homosexual content exists in some US comics.

Well, if you're all for the bill that's one thing. That's different from saying that it gives publishers more creative control or encourages creativity.

But I think you are too focused on the whole "7 year old getting raped" thing. That's why I said your post had straw men, because that's an extreme example and most depictions of that would already result in a manga being for adults only. This bill isn't focused only on the extreme stuff.

Come on now, there is plenty of homosexual content in mainstream comics. It's not that common, but depiction of homosexuals isn't really considered that taboo or odd in the US anymore.

As for rape, you won't see a graphic depiction of it in most DC or Marvel comics, but it does occur, at least as a plot point. And given the wording of this bill, it's not clear if a graphic depiction is even needed for it to apply.

There's another scene in One Piece which has some characters attempting to spy on a couple of characters in a bath, one of which is under 18. I'm not totally sure about the laws in Japan, but I know in the US doing something like that could get you in BIG trouble, maybe even get you on the sex offender registry.

Well, the translation of the bill I read says "depicts" which means that actually showing the act in graphic detail may not be required. Hence another example of the bill being too vague.

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I've been reading Marvel Comics and DC Comics for 20 years now, and I have to say I have never seen a girl getting raped or 2 girls/2 boys making out in any of the Spider-Man, Batman, X-Men or Superman comics. I guess Marvel Comics and DC Comics are attacking American FREE SPEECH and creativity.

I'm pretty sure Batman and Robin shared a bed (and parents were upset!), though I can't remember if it was before or after the CCA. Anyway, read up on the Comics Code. This is essentially what Japanese publishers and mangaka are afraid of: a Japanese version of the comics code.

You know I agree with you crazy person that Brain Rub is an absolute disgrace! I see him colluding with that evil Team Mahjong on Twitter all the time, probably plotting how they're going to destroy anime and manga someday! But seriously lay off of Brian, it is ridiculous to say that he's a "bad writer". I'd like you to get a work professionally published to be honest.

There is nothing wrong with GAY characters, there is nothing wrong with GAY comic/Manga, there is nothing wrong with GAY Anime... I would never BUY Anything that is GAY though. I simply not interested in these theme...

Now if you or anyone wants to make a Gay comic that show 2 guys having sex that's fine too... Just put a sticker on it and say you have to be 18+ to buy it, but don't sale it to my 13 years old niece.

Do you think it's ok for me to show a Gay adult movie to your 10 years old niece or nephew?

[A lot of stuff that shows either a misunderstanding or a willful misinterpretation of the original column]

You won't find me working as a professional writer because I am not a writer.

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Quote: I've been reading Marvel Comics and DC Comics for 20 years now, and I have to say I have never seen a girl getting raped or 2 girls/2 boys making out in any of the Spider-Man, Batman, X-Men or Superman comics. I guess Marvel Comics and DC Comics are attacking American FREE SPEECH and creativity. I'm pretty sure Batman and Robin shared a bed (and parents were upset!), though I can't remember if it was before or after the CCA. Anyway, read up on the Comics Code. This is essentially what Japanese publishers and mangaka are afraid of: a Japanese version of the comics code.

I grew up reading comics in the early 90's, you can't have swearing or you can't show too much blood or even cutting someone head off, but I can understand why the Comics Code was there in the first place. Reading comics should be about the story and characters...

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Rape and homosexual content exists in some US comics.

I am a big X-Men reader so maybe you like to point out to me what issue NorthStar had a hot Sexy love making scene with another MALE X-Men? I don't read the The Authority, but I don't think Apollo and Midnighter ever had a Steamy hot and wild loving making panel that jump and say " Buy This Issue ".

There is nothing wrong with GAY characters, there is nothing wrong with GAY comic/Manga, there is nothing wrong with GAY Anime... I would never BUY Anything that is GAY though. I simply not interested in these theme...

Now if you or anyone wants to make a Gay comic that show 2 guys having sex that's fine too... Just put a sticker on it and say you have to be 18+ to buy it, but don't sale it to my 13 years old niece.

Do you think it's ok for me to show a Gay adult movie to your 10 years old niece or nephew?

I am beginning to understand why Ruh had supporter like you.

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Well, if you're all for the bill that's one thing. That's different from saying that it gives publishers more creative control or encourages creativity. But I think you are too focused on the whole "7 year old getting raped" thing. That's why I said your post had straw men, because that's an extreme example and most depictions of that would already result in a manga being for adults only. This bill isn't focused only on the extreme stuff.

Like I said the Bill is very unclear, and how would someone like Ruh ever know about the extend of the Bill? He and everyone just write what they think... Ruh tried to tells someone what he think are the FACTS but the truth is they're his opinions, a very BIAS and uneducated opinions at best.

If the Bill reach out and starts changing Mainstream manga like Naruto and One Piece then I would be pissed as HELL. Of course there is nothing sexual about Naruto and One Piece so I shouldn't have nothing to worry about.

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Come on now, there is plenty of homosexual content in mainstream comics. It's not that common, but depiction of homosexuals isn't really considered that taboo or odd in the US anymore. As for rape, you won't see a graphic depiction of it in most DC or Marvel comics, but it does occur, at least as a plot point. And given the wording of this bill, it's not clear if a graphic depiction is even needed for it to apply.

and they're called adults comics or Independent Comics. As for Marvel and DC, their comics are focus on Super Heroes with Super Powers that save the world and so on.. Their story isn't about some girl getting raped and being showed she was getting raped. That's not what they do at Marvel and DC. Their story may involve a unknown character getting Raped but that is just the story as long as she is not depicted as being raped. The Comics Code would not allow that in the first place.

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There's another scene in One Piece which has some characters attempting to spy on a couple of characters in a bath, one of which is under 18. I'm not totally sure about the laws in Japan, but I know in the US doing something like that could get you in BIG trouble, maybe even get you on the sex offender registry.

That happened in Naruto all the time... We'll see if the bill affect Naruto...

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Well, the translation of the bill I read says "depicts" which means that actually showing the act in graphic detail may not be required. Hence another example of the bill being too vague.

That's the problem... you're getting your source from someone like Ruh and a translated source. Depicts means you are actually describing what is happening as in what you are seeing. If a girl say she was raped, that is not depiction, if they author show the girls was being raped then that is Depiction.

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[Depict - to represent or characterize in words; describe.

Ruh is a bad writer... A good write know how to differential facts from opinion. Ruh doesn't not under that.

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Rape and homosexual content exists in some US comics.



ONLY in adults comics... You'll never found them in Spider-Man, X-men, Superman or any comics published by Marvel or DC.

Elektra got her throat slashed and her own sai run through her by Bullseye; Dawnstar's wings were cut off; Dart's legs were blown off; Alex DeWitt, girlfriend of Kyle Rayner (Green Lantern), was murdered and stuffed into Kyle's refrigerator; Mirage, of Team Titans, was impregnated by rape; Spoiler was tortured to death; Daredevil's ex-girlfriend Karen Page got addicted to drugs, made porn films, and got infected with HIV before she was killed; Ms. Marvel/Warbird got mind-controlled, impregnated by rape, got her memories and powers stolen by Rogue (who's got a pretty screwed up story herself), got depowered, and finally turned fairly pointlessly into an alcoholic; Starfire has been raped, tortured, enslaved, and forced into two marriages; Sue Dibny was murdered, posthumously burned, and retconned into a rape victim; and Psylocke got depowered, had her eyes removed, got mindswapped into a slutty ninja's body and got eviscerated by Sabretooth.

Where the bloody hell did I say I never seen a gay comic book character? Yes I knew the X-Men character NorthStar, Wildstorm Apollo and Midnighter... Those are GAY characters... I was answering question to rape and homosexual content, not homosexual characters. Those are 2 very different things.

Do you think it's ok for me to show a Gay adult movie to your 10 years old niece or nephew?

I grew up reading comics in the early 90's, you can't have swearing or you can't show too much blood or even cutting someone head off, but I can understand why the Comics Code was there in the first place. Reading comics should be about the story and characters...

Your problem here is assuming that anything that features gay characters is pornographic, instead of say, characters just normally living their lives. Like "Circles" or "Frater Mine" come to mind. Just imagine if someone said the same stuff in your post except applied to straight characters. It would look completely absurd and close-minded:

There is nothing wrong with STRAIGHT characters, there is nothing wrong with STRAIGHT comic/Manga, there is nothing wrong with STRAIGHT Anime... I would never BUY Anything that is STRAIGHT though. I simply not interested in these theme...

Now if you or anyone wants to make a Straight comic that show a guy and a girl having sex that's fine too... Just put a sticker on it and say you have to be 18+ to buy it, but don't sale it to my 13 years old niece.