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Enough tsundere already!

Sorry to burst your bubble but just because you post something doesnt mean it becomes fact. Some of us equate tsundere to bitchy women, if you are of a different opinion thats fine but don't expect us to adhere to your beliefs.

Fans of the tsundere character type perhaps enjoy watching that occur, just like some girls dig the bad boys, and want to reform them.

Revy herself was called a tsundere on this thread. So...

Anyway, dude, there's no need to get this upset over this. If you like tsunderes, then you like tsunderes. If that reflects your taste in women, or in female characters, then so be it.

Dorcas_Aurelia wrote:

Yes, really. It's not Rei, because she has no personality. It's not Asuka, because she doesn't exhibit dislike for Kaji or any attraction to Shinji, and to be a tsundere, one has to display both traits towards a single subject. It's not Misato, unless I'm forgetting that she initially hated Kaji. It's not Ritsuko, because she doesn't get emotionally attached to any of the male characters in that way. I'm pretty sure it's none of the minor or male characters. So who?

Asuka shows no attraction to Shinji?

spoiler[Asuka flatout kissed Shinji, IIRC] [/spoiler]

Psycho 101 wrote:

I for one still wonder why tsundere girls are fantasized about period. Yes, I want to fantasize and chase after a girl who treats me like shit and acts like a royal bitch. Who cares if she has occasional moments of warmth and consideration? The rest of the time she's being a ball busting bitch who gets on you for just about everything. Yea....you can keep her thanks. I just don't get how such a person is so highly fantasized over. I like my women to be strong and independent but not to the point of constantly berating me or trying to hit me with something.

Fantasizing about the bitchy women is the furthest thing from fantasizing about tsundere. Really, do people have any idea what the term even stands for?

Believe it or not. There are actually tsundere characters who are not violent. The staple for the character is initially having a hostile or combatitive personality, which hides the caring, shy, insecure part underneath. They are bad at expressing themselves. It's a romantic cliche and nothing else. Drawing conclusions about what kind of people like them or not is utter nonsense. Like, I could say that people who like strong hero characters are usually pathetic weaklings themselves, which would have just as much credibility.

And people should be careful about wishing certain character types disappearing. Just look at what happened to the archetypical romantic hero male like Harlock. Got replaced by these.... new ones.

I just remember from high school and freshman year of college this happening a lot, though the guys don't always realize they are doing it, and it is basically a guy acting tsundere but over a very brief period of time. As a former douche bag I can confidently say that girls eat that sh*t up, though women will just call you a douche bag. Anyway I digress, even if you don't consider tsundere the female badboy, which I don't either, the attraction can still be very similar, though I consider it more akin to the attraction to jerks.

I simply still am at a loss to those who vote for these characters as the greatest characters ever or think they're so wonderful. Guess I'm just getting old.

Are you actually counting Kyoko as tsundere, or saying that she's part of the prehistory of tsundere? If you actually use tsundere as a label for Kyoko, I think you're extending its meaning beyond how some are using it here. Kyoko does not have an initial reflexive hostility to Godai or icy mask that needs to be melted (whether once or ad tedious infinitum); the burden of change to avoid their relationship misunderstandings is all on him to get it together, isn't it?

At least everyone agrees that tsunderes in the mold of Zero no Tsukaima's Louise are the bane of anime.
Especially that nasty tsuntsun Kirino from Oreimou.

I liked Louise, I guess I'm a true tsundere fan